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| minute | upgraded my mnt reform with intel ax210 wifi... now 855 mbit/s downstream at home. not bad! | 00:21 |
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| minute | my pocket reform with the mediatek usb-based m.2 wifi maxes out at 225mbit/s (i guess either limited by wifi 5 or usb 2) | 00:23 |
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| BoostisBetter | Probably the USB 2 | 08:40 |
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| gordon1 | >now 855 mbit/s downstream at home. not bad! | 10:40 |
| gordon1 | minute: can i ask how did you place your antenna? | 10:41 |
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| minute | gordon1: i use the dual-feed molex antenna on the acrylic piece we mount above the sd card slot | 13:25 |
| gordon1 | oh so there is a little window on the side panel now? | 13:25 |
| gordon1 | it is not evident on pic from the shop https://shop.mntre.com/spree/products/393/large/mnt-reform-2023-ports-left.jpg?1687437768 | 13:28 |
| minute | gordon1: no, i was thinking yesterday that it would be prudent to replace the side panel by fr4 for example | 13:30 |
| gordon1 | okay, sounds good, would like to hear more about the tests | 13:31 |
| minute | the reception was good despite of the steel, but i was in ideal conditions at my home yesterday. | 13:31 |
| minute | so will test now at the mnt hq where it is not ideal. | 13:31 |
| gordon1 | weird suggestion: how about make a FR4 antenna panel around the ports | 13:31 |
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| frickler | minute: btw., any update on the new pocket backplanes? I didn't receive a response to my ticket yet, either | 14:20 |
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| anzu | It seems my new employer does not give me a laptop. Only reform2 it is then, that's quite cool :D | 14:51 |
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| josch | does somebody have any idea how to help k313 with their pocket? https://community.mnt.re/t/please-help-i-messed-up/3238 | 15:01 |
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| frickler | hmm, not having the opportunity to create a bootable sd card is tough. I would send them one if they're not too far away or maybe minute would? ;) | 15:05 |
| frickler | might alse be a nice idea to add that to the handbook, sort of like creating a rescue disk for a windows system | 15:06 |
| frickler | but I also have no idea what the "no rmaL,0,0,0" in the oled means, that looks weird | 15:08 |
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| grimmware | minute: I did a dumb thing which I will obviously post about in greater depth at some point when I'm not supposed to be working, but behold the prototype PocketDeck: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/HeUj59Wq/1743516259.JPG | 16:13 |
| + chomwitt (~chomwitt@2a02:587:7a07:1100:1ac0:4dff:fedb:a3f1) | 16:13 | |
| grimmware | It's latched in on the hinge holes at the back and the little lid opening divot at the front so whilst I obviously don't recommend it you can in fact hold it upside-down and the pocket doesn't fall out. You can also close the lid. | 16:14 |
| hramrach | if this fits into your pockets you have some big ones :) | 16:18 |
| [tj] | hramrach: all your pockets should be rated for 2 wine bottles | 16:19 |
| grimmware | I mean the pocket doesn't fit in my pockets so... | 16:19 |
| hramrach | looks like the 'wells' on this keyboard are made only by mounting different height keycap, interesting. | 16:24 |
| gordon1 | minute: did you use regular dual-band wifi patch antenna or was it some special antenna for wifi 6e? | 16:28 |
| grimmware | hramrach: yeah they're kailh compatible gamma caps | 16:29 |
| grimmware | the stls are available online | 16:29 |
| grimmware | they're designed for resin printing but I took a stab at filament printing them with a finer nozzle and it worked out okay - not the most aesthetic thing and took some work to tidy them up but it's cool to be able to fab shit at home | 16:30 |
| grimmware | Need to add some latches to hold the keyboard in place which I'll probably take a stab at this evening | 16:31 |
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| [tj] | is there a howto for running an amd64 app image on the pocket? | 16:59 |
| [tj] | it might be too big a thing - it is nrfconnect | 16:59 |
| frickler | pocket with wings, nice | 17:04 |
| grimmware | yeah I mean by "deck" I obviously mean "sofa tray" | 17:13 |
| + Ar|stote|is (~linx@149.210.28.65) | 17:36 | |
| jfred | grimmware: That's pretty wild and I like the look of it. If you were to use it constantly in that form factor of course the Pocket's actual keyboard is less useful, but I'm now imagining an integrated design where you fold the two wings out from the center after opening it | 17:51 |
| grimmware | jfred: the pocket just clips in and out so it's really just for at-home usage for now | 17:52 |
| grimmware | that said I wanna build a handle and a strap for it :D | 17:52 |
| josch | grimmware: wooooah mega!! :D | 17:59 |
| frickler | wait, was it you who was pondering some pogo pin stuff some time ago? having some connectors on the back of the pocket make it really dock to the deck and have USB connectivity would sound even cooler | 18:29 |
| + mlarkin (~mlarkin@syn-076-081-194-027.biz.spectrum.com) | 18:36 | |
| gl0b | https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/tXu7klgG/mega-boy.png | 18:48 |
| hramrach | pogo pins might be fairly difficult to align against a dock unless the spacing is large to make room for large contacts on the other side | 19:14 |
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| frickler | I'd also go with some other connector with a self-closing/opening lid, I just remembered pogo pins getting mentioned in some mnt context (or so I think) earlier | 19:24 |
| jfred | grimmware: oh I had a thought for another tweak that might work, could put a thumb trackball on the right hand side like this: https://ultimatehackingkeyboard.com/product/trackball | 19:26 |
| grimmware | frickler: yeah it was me who mentioned that. The keyboard is Bluetooth though so that particular constraint was dealt with heh | 19:34 |
| grimmware | jfred: they keyboard “wings” are modular by virtue of my very small print bed so it’s possible to just change the part out to accommodate other boards and peripherals. Really needs another revision before it’s worth building against tho | 19:38 |
| grimmware | I’m gonna live with it for a while before I iterate. | 19:39 |
| jfred | oh neat, I didn't even notice the three thumb keys on each side weren't part of the same assembly | 19:40 |
| gordon1 | minute: tried to test suspend with rk3588 but realized too late that i don't have wakeup button configured, need to find how to do that in device tree first | 19:41 |
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| gordon1 | well, nevermind, problems are still there even without the power key https://0x0.st/821j.txt | 20:07 |
| gordon1 | https://0x0.st/821e.txt | 20:09 |
| gordon1 | https://0x0.st/821f.txt | 20:12 |
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| hairu | oh thank goodness. my laptop of 11 years is now functioning again \o/ but... i may still get a pocket reform, just no need to rush now, considering my poverty level. | 20:15 |
| vagrantc | ACTION eyes up the shiny 2Ah cells and wonders how soon to bother :) | 20:15 |
| hairu | disassembled it entirely, cleaned some parts, reassembled, applied new thermal compound... and the keyboard seems to have not died on me :> | 20:16 |
| hairu | (just informing people here because i had mentioned water infiltration from the great table collapse of march 15) | 20:17 |
| minute | frickler: no rmal = normal | 20:27 |
| minute | grimmware: wow @ pocket deck | 20:28 |
| minute | gordon1: currently regular dual band but have wifi 6e antennas on order | 20:28 |
| minute | [tj]: tried just passing it to box64? | 20:29 |
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| gordon1 | oh, that sounds good, so it does not need special antenna to get good ~800 mbit | 20:29 |
| minute | gordon1: i think you can just enable a bunch of wakeup sources in sysfs dynamically on all the uarts, no? | 20:29 |
| gordon1 | yeah, i tried to enable it for console uart but i think the issue is that it just dies, not suspends and are waiting for wakeup | 20:30 |
| minute | gordon1: wait a second, it looks like you can exit suspend just like that? | 20:31 |
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| minute | vagrantc: there are even 2.2Ah cells now | 20:31 |
| minute | gordon1: like on your 3rd log it says suspend exit | 20:31 |
| gordon1 | minute: i'm using this guide https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/power/suspend-and-interrupts.html | 20:31 |
| vagrantc | minute: wow. no clue! | 20:32 |
| gordon1 | oops, sorry | 20:33 |
| gordon1 | wrong link | 20:33 |
| gordon1 | https://docs.kernel.org/power/basic-pm-debugging.html that one | 20:33 |
| gordon1 | if you set your pm_test to some value it will exit suspend early | 20:36 |
| minute | ohh | 20:41 |
| [tj] | nrfconnect triggers an abort | 20:57 |
| [tj] | I’ll put this on the “one day” list and not get distracted | 20:57 |
| gordon1 | minute: and with hibernate after the restore whole pci in some fucky state, removing everything (or unloading the driver) and reiniting/rescaning results in no devices https://0x0.st/82jK.txt | 20:58 |
| gordon1 | tbh i'm focusing on pci because it seems that usb works fine and it is not easy for me to test the graphics | 20:59 |
| gordon1 | not sure what else could be broken, suggestions are welcome | 21:00 |
| gordon1 | but so far hibernate looks much more promising | 21:01 |
| gordon1 | i need to find a way to get any info of what is happening after >Disabling non-boot CPUs ... | 21:12 |
| gordon1 | maybe putting some stuff on cortex-m can help? | 21:13 |
| gordon1 | well, anyway, i'll start with reference manual maybe it has some clues | 21:13 |
| minute | testing this https://patchwork.kernel.org/project/linux-arm-kernel/patch/ecf3505af1a690ed8b975f60d095331778593339.1735313870.git.dsimic@manjaro.org/ | 21:22 |
| minute | (also pci related btw) | 21:22 |
| minute | hmm | 21:24 |
| minute | gordon1: you could put debug prints in tf-a to see if code there is reached | 21:24 |
| gordon1 | ooh, maybe this thing will fix kexec | 21:29 |
| minute | also interesting https://patchwork.ozlabs.org/project/linux-pci/patch/20250320110604.v6.1.Id0a0e78ab0421b6bce51c4b0b87e6aebdfc69ec7@changeid/ | 21:30 |
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| gordon1 | lets test all of them at the same time as real scientists | 21:35 |
| minute | iommu for pcie is also coming https://patchwork.kernel.org/project/linux-arm-kernel/patch/20241107123732.1160063-2-cassel@kernel.org/ | 21:45 |
| minute | gordon1: i've also seen some workarounds on other SoCs where they don't suspend the pcie controller | 21:53 |
| gordon1 | desperate measures | 21:55 |
| jfred | wonder how much power the pcie controller draws | 21:56 |
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| gordon1 | minute: two of the first patches did boot just fine but did not change the behaviour of suspend/resume, i spare you from new logs because those are exactly the same (i also verified that the kernel and dts are newer just in case) | 22:41 |
| gordon1 | also | 22:42 |
| gordon1 | [ 94.733190] PM: Image size after compression: 149611 kbytes | 22:42 |
| gordon1 | fml it's just initrd, how big is the kernel's footprint nowdays? | 22:42 |
| BoostisBetter | minute: gordon1: very awesome to see this discussion here. I wish you both a lot of success in working on this! | 22:43 |
| josch | gordon1: ~35 MB | 22:46 |
| gordon1 | that's just kernel image, not RAM isn't it? | 22:46 |
| josch | yes, just the image size | 22:46 |
| gordon1 | i mean it is still massive | 22:46 |
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| gordon1 | there's also this chinese website that looks like contains a lot of info on rk3588 but i'm yet to find some psychological strength to read translated text https://blog.csdn.net/weixin_43245753/article/details/126981052 | 23:21 |
| gordon1 | i also suspect it's about rockchip fork not mainline | 23:22 |
| gordon1 | minute: if you gonna play around with suspend on reform can you pls check if s2idle works (and potentially check the current draw)? it does the same thing for me as deep sleep when it sorta successfully entered suspend but refuses to wake up and i still have doubts if that's some at-f or just misconfigured power button (s2idle shouldn't use at-f theoretically) | 23:25 |
| gordon1 | BoostisBetter: you're welcome, we'll see how long will i last, but i would love so much for reform to be able to sleep or at least hibernate | 23:30 |
| + chomwitt (~chomwitt@2a02:587:7a07:1100:1ac0:4dff:fedb:a3f1) | 23:40 | |
| minute | gordon1: aha, thanks! | 23:41 |
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