| ^alex | on the pocket reform it reads as 100% until the syscon gets a chance to talk to the battery subsystem | 00:03 |
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| vagrantc | so yup, after drilling a hole where the line-in pins stick up a bit too far, i was able to get the antenna plat to sit *almost* flat ... it still rests on the audio-out jack slightly off-level | 00:26 |
| vagrantc | antenna plate ... | 00:26 |
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| minute | vagrantc: interesting. you still have acrylic side panels? and battery cell unplugging order doesn't matter if you have protected battery boards, or if the battery boards are unplugged from the mainboard. | 01:01 |
| vagrantc | minute: i guess now that you phrase it that way ... is it ok to swap out cells without unplugging from the mainboard (with protected battery board) ? | 01:02 |
| vagrantc | obviously, now while powered on! | 01:02 |
| vagrantc | not while... | 01:03 |
| vagrantc | minute: the acrylyic bit was the molex antenna plate that came with the rk3588 upgrade, i think? | 01:03 |
| vagrantc | installed over the SD card ... but the lin-in pins stick up a and bumped it a bit | 01:03 |
| vagrantc | will try to get a picture of it, though i do not have a great camera | 01:05 |
| vagrantc | pinephone or librem5 both kind of blurry for stuff like this | 01:06 |
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| vkoskiv | minute: Will you make it to Revision this year? :3 | 10:36 |
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| josch | whoops, the MNT debian repo does not contain the pocket-reform-handbook package anymore o0 | 11:01 |
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| sevan | saw this, thought it might be of interest https://hackaday.com/2025/04/03/handheld-18650-analyzer-scopes-out-salvaged-cells/ | 11:33 |
| josch | i want to have a device with that functionality | 11:50 |
| minute | vagrantc: line in is rarely used so you could clip off the pins :D | 11:50 |
| josch | i used one of those pins to get easy access to ground on the motherboard :) | 11:51 |
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| vkoskiv | Is the 64bit time_t migration thing still ongoing? I still have 309 pkgs that won't upgrade. Most are fine, but my firefox is now old enough (123.0) that a root cert expired, which leaves me without plugins for now :D | 13:32 |
| vkoskiv | Unusual output when specifically upgrading firefox: | 13:32 |
| vkoskiv | Unsatisfied dependencies: libevent-dev : Depends: libevent-2.1-7 (= 2.1.12-stable-8) | 13:32 |
| vkoskiv | Isn't the package I have already >= that dependency it says is unsatisfied? | 13:32 |
| frickler | vkoskiv: is this for sid or trixie? can you show the complete output on some paste service like paste.debian.net? | 13:37 |
| vkoskiv | Sure, one moment | 13:37 |
| vkoskiv | https://paste.debian.net/1367236/ | 13:40 |
| vkoskiv | trixie, and I have unstable selected as well | 13:40 |
| frickler | vkoskiv: hmm, I would either try "apt install firefox" or "apt full-upgrade" | 13:45 |
| josch | vkoskiv: the output of this would be interesting: apt-cache policy libevent-dev | 13:46 |
| vkoskiv | josch: https://mister-muffin.de/p/I365.txt | 13:49 |
| vkoskiv | apt install firefox now suggests to upgrade 61, install 35 and remove 10 pkgs. | 13:50 |
| vkoskiv | Most seeem completely unrelated to firefox: https://mister-muffin.de/p/E90V.txt | 13:52 |
| vkoskiv | I guess full-upgrade is what I need, then? I didn't even know about that option, I always assumed upgrade did what full-upgrade does | 13:53 |
| vkoskiv | Because why would I want it to *not* upgrade things when I ask it to upgrade? :D | 13:54 |
| frickler | iiuc upgrade doesn't delete pkgs when that is necessary to install newer ones | 13:54 |
| josch | vkoskiv: try "sudo apt full-upgrade" | 13:56 |
| vkoskiv | It suggests this, I've no idea if that removal list is good or bad: https://mister-muffin.de/p/CoNe.txt | 13:56 |
| vkoskiv | I get a vague sense that removing all those might break things | 13:57 |
| josch | vkoskiv: the removed packages are just old libraries, not full programs | 13:57 |
| vkoskiv | One way to find out :D | 13:57 |
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| josch | ch: in case you have time, i would appreciate feedback for this abomination: https://salsa.debian.org/reform-team/reform-tools/-/merge_requests/1 | 14:14 |
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| josch | I just reproduced the extra-display issue on A311D classic Reform and Pocket Reform. | 14:35 |
| josch | This is a really annoying regression... I fear I'll not be able to put time away for this before April 15 | 14:36 |
| josch | context: https://community.mnt.re/t/sway-switch-workspace-erratic/3219 | 14:37 |
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| andypiper_ | I'm back! (and so is my Pocket, after many customs-and-UPS shenanigans) | 14:48 |
| andypiper_ | it was last actively used on Jan 31... what did I miss? :-) | 14:49 |
| josch | andypiper_: welcome back! That's imx8mplus pocket or a311d pocket or rk3588 pocket? | 14:49 |
| andypiper_ | massive shout-out to wakest, plom, minute and the team for getting me back up-and-running btw. | 14:50 |
| andypiper_ | i rock the rk3588 these days | 14:50 |
| josch | great, then you are not affected by the latest a311d issue ;) | 14:51 |
| andypiper_ | oh, actually one thing - mine is booting from SD card right now but the main OS is on SSD. I'd like to book from mmc/ssd rather than sd card. Can someone remind me the magic incantation here? | 14:52 |
| andypiper_ | I have /dev/nvme0n1p1 at / and /dev/mmcblk1p1 at /boot and it takes a bit longer to start up; I wanted to have SD card for alternate / rescue boot rather than main boot. | 14:52 |
| andypiper_ | I saw some chatter about GNOME experiments in the community forum too, sounds fun to try out (sway atm) | 14:53 |
| andypiper_ | oh, one more thing - I'm guest on The Bootloader podcast later today and one of my two "picks" to discuss will the the Pocket Reform and the MNT ethos. | 14:54 |
| josch | andypiper_: moving your installation from sdcard to nvme/emmc can be done with reform-setup-encrypted-disk -- we did some changes to that tool recently, so bugs to me please :) | 14:54 |
| andypiper_ | the main installation is already on the nvme and I don't want to overwrite... | 14:55 |
| josch | oh you just want to move your /boot from sd-card to emmc | 14:56 |
| andypiper_ | ah maybe I just need reform-boot-config | 14:56 |
| josch | yes | 14:56 |
| josch | if the --help text or man page of reform-boot-config is no telling you that it's the right tool for the job, then we should fix that | 14:56 |
| andypiper_ | so reform-boot-config --emmc ssd I think... | 14:56 |
| andypiper_ | it does now I spotted it (again) via help of reform-migrate-encrypted-disk ... getting my head back into this setup. | 14:57 |
| josch | andypiper_: if you have suggestions of where we could add documentation to make things more findable i'd be all ears as well :) | 14:58 |
| andypiper_ | got it. Will give this a go. | 14:58 |
| josch | nice, let me know how it goes | 14:58 |
| andypiper_ | done, booting faster, all set. | 15:02 |
| josch | sweet :) | 15:03 |
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| vkoskiv | I guess audio has stopped working at some point. I just hear random crackling from the speakers, same thing for headphones when I toggle to those. | 15:12 |
| vkoskiv | I didn't use audio, but I heard the crackling before running the full-upgrade today, so maybe not related to that. | 15:13 |
| vkoskiv | dmesg says [ 1789.831638] fe.dai-link-1: ASoC: no backend DAIs enabled for fe.dai-link-1, possibly missing ALSA mixer-based routing or UCM profile | 15:13 |
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| vkoskiv | I get random crackles even when audio is not playing | 15:13 |
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| frickler | andypiper_: regarding MNT ethos this new page might be interesting, if you missed it yesterday https://mntre.com/about.html | 15:31 |
| andypiper_ | I saw that! And this is one reason why I decided to talk about them on the podcast, as I was thinking about what exciting hardware projects I could talk about, of which there were several :-) | 15:32 |
| frickler | cool | 15:33 |
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| josch | pocket-reform-handbook_2025-03-16+dfsg-1_both.changes ACCEPTED into unstable | 18:24 |
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| gustav28 | andypiper_: is this podcast available? I would like to have a listen | 19:03 |
| gustav28 | does anyone know if the new mnt motherboard 3.0 will have usb-c for data or just for power? | 19:04 |
| andypiper_ | it is called The Bootloader, this will be episode 19 that will come out sometime in the coming week or so. | 19:04 |
| gustav28 | "just"* | 19:04 |
| josch | gustav28: the usb-c is for power and for remote uart debugging -- it's not a data-usb port that the OS can use | 19:07 |
| gustav28 | Ok, thx | 19:08 |
| gustav28 | andypiper_: thanks, I can't find it on apple podcasts, do you have a link? | 19:09 |
| jn | josch: oh, uart access is nice though | 19:11 |
| jn | josch: does the debug uart have a standard location on the reform cpu module connector? | 19:12 |
| josch | jn: S1 and S2 are exposed on the motherboard next to the module | 19:14 |
| jn | (i probably have to look it up myself) what are S1/S2 and how do they relate to UART TX/RX, and how do they get from the CPU to the motherboard? | 19:16 |
| jn | hm, pins 26/28 of the SoM connector carry the "boot uart", that seems to be it | 19:18 |
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| andreas-e | gustav28: I found it by a web search: https://www.thebootloader.net/ | 19:41 |
| andypiper_ | bootloader podcast link(s) -> https://episodes.fm/1644244356 | 19:41 |
| andreas-e | It is also available on AntennaPod, installable through F-Droid. | 19:41 |
| andypiper_ | just wrapped recording. I talked about MNT for about 5 minutes :-) | 19:42 |
| andypiper_ | oh, I guess they don't show episode numbers in their episode listing, but it should be the one that comes out in April, maybe Sunday or Monday | 19:43 |
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| gustav28 | ah, thanks. I saw that one but since your name was not mentioned I did not think I found the correct one. thanks! | 20:21 |
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