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minutegsora: i'm sorry to hear it. we can send a replacement screen of course09:11
minutemurphnj: standby switch needs to be on for flashing09:11
minutemurphnj: or disconnected from the motherboard, for that matter09:12
minutekfx: oh ok? but how does edk2 know that you have a reform2?09:12
minuteohh this is talking about dtb override functionality https://github.com/edk2-porting/edk2-rk3588/releases/tag/v1.109:15
minute> Additional base DTB locations: custom path configurable in the setup menu + \dtb and \dtb\rockchip.09:15
joschi also managed to prevent gnome from shutting down at 0% -- one needs AllowRiskyCriticalPowerAction=true09:58
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gsoraminute: that would be great. I sent a video and a photo detailing the issue to support@ in the meantime. would it be the entire upper screen assembly or just the panel? what would you think might’ve happened to the screen connection to trigger the flashy behavior?10:06
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gsorafwiw 10:17
gsoraoof, misclick! anyway, wanted to say my PD-enabled power bank charges the reform just fine! it reports 2.1A at 2V10:17
gsorano wait, 20v!10:18
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CephonAlterajosch: where did you set that setting?10:48
joschCephonAltera: in /etc/UPower/UPower.conf -- I'm in the process of writing a longer forum post10:49
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CephonAlteraI have made progress on my journey to run LXDE on the pocket reform under Xorg. To continue from my previous message. It seems like the cause of the weird mouse bug is me having a second monitor connected via micro-hdmi.17:53
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murphnj@minute, Thanks!  I'll do that later when I have a chance, see if I can finally get it back working again.18:57
gsorais there a suggested place to attach the WiFi antenna plastic thingy to?19:14
joschgsora: you mean the transparent acrylic sheet with the singular hole at the corner?19:16
gsorayup19:17
gsoraI think… I figured out why there’s a standoff in the envelope lol19:17
minutegsora: probably the panel 19:21
minutegsora: the panel answer was to an earlier question 19:22
minutegsora: about the standoff yeah, i think that is described in the rcore manual.19:22
gsoraah, was looking in the operator manual!19:23
gsorawooo my mpcie adapted mediatek WiFi chip works!19:33
gsorapushes close to 1gbps, nice19:33
joschwow o019:41
gsorayeah! not bad for a 40 bucks19:45
gsoraincluding a m2 to mpcie adapter19:46
gsorare: display, I think the issues are two: the cable might be bad, and the panel might be faulty19:46
gsoraalso, the display logic thingy gets quite hot to the touch19:48
gsorahere’s what  19:50
gsorahappens: https://files.catbox.moe/n2lysc.mov19:50
joschwow that video kills the a311d -- 100% on all six cores and it's still a slideshow19:55
gsorafor whatever reason my phone decided it was a good idea to record hdr with Dolby vision19:59
minutegsora: noice @ wifi19:59
joschgsora: doesn't help that it's 3840x2160 :D20:00
gsorathat as well haha20:01
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joschminute: This now has EFI booting via systemd-boot-efi: https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-system-image/-/merge_requests/13320:36
joschminute: try running mkimage with --arch=amd64 --boot=efi reform-system-any20:36
minutejosch: awesome!!20:39
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potatoespotatoeshi, totally silly question, but if I am flashing uboot onto the pocket+rk3588, does the boot partition go onto mmcblk0boot0 or mmcblk0boot1? 21:47
potatoespotatoeswhere can I read more about what these devices are fore?21:48
murphnjHaving trouble building firmware, very frustrating.21:49
potatoespotatoesmurphnj what are you running into? I've been doing a bit of that, of late21:50
murphnjAre you on the forums?  I've just posted all the details there.  I can repeat here if needed.21:52
potatoespotatoescan you drop a link here?21:53
potatoespotatoes"may have made a bad mistake"?21:53
murphnjhttps://community.mnt.re/t/may-have-made-a-bad-mistake/342021:53
murphnjThat would be the one.21:54
murphnjI'm way down at the bottom of that thread at this point.21:54
murphnjFollowing the directions in the handbook.21:55
murphnjI don't seem to have the PICO_SDK_PATH set.21:55
potatoespotatoesokay, cool. I'm caught up21:57
potatoespotatoesit's been a while so I won't write a forum reply, but the quick answer to the PICO_SDK21:58
potatoespotatoesPATH issue is that you need to clone...21:58
potatoespotatoeshttps://github.com/raspberrypi/pico-sdk21:58
potatoespotatoesit has been a long time since I last did this, but happy to stumble through it with you for a bit21:59
potatoespotatoesset the clone path to that environment variable, 22:00
potatoespotatoesI was using the build scripts from https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform/-/blob/master/reform2-keyboard4-fw/build.sh?ref_type=heads#L322:01
potatoespotatoeswhich does set the path directly of where the cloned pico-sdk repo should live22:01
potatoespotatoesRE: "this CAN be run from an x86_64 machine, right?" IIRC I did flash this all on an x86 machine22:02
potatoespotatoesbut you will probably run into a dependency issue very quickly if this is not the case.22:03
potatoespotatoesI can't imagine rpi development being locked to arm64. that would be a bit nuts22:03
murphnjThis isn't the keyboard firmware any more.  It's the system since I appear to have upgraded the keyboard firmware over the system.  I have the thing taken apart, and I'm in the internal USB connection.22:04
murphnjI don't understand why the directions don't mention that the raspi sdk has to be cloned as well.  I would think that the "install-fw-dependencies.sh" would get that, and if not give a warning, and/or instructions to do so.22:05
murphnjI feel like an idiot.  I'm not experienced with this specifically, but not new to Linux.  I can follow instructions, and learn on the way, but this seems a bit much.22:06
murphnjThere is a pico-sdk directory in the cloned directory, but it isn't in the right env variable?22:07
murphnjIt's the pico sdk.22:07
potatoespotatoesHmm... it looks like it might be fetched directly via cmake: https://source.mnt.re/search?search=pico-sdk&nav_source=navbar&project_id=6&group_id=7&search_code=true&repository_ref=master22:08
murphnjIt's in the pocket-reform directory.22:08
potatoespotatoesbut back when I did this (like ~6-8months ago) I recall some weirdness and having to do that step by hand22:09
murphnjthere is a pico_sdk_init.cmake, does that need to be run, or something?22:10
potatoespotatoeswait, do you have the repo placed in /usr/src/pico-sdk, then?22:11
murphnjno.22:11
murphnjI think that the install_depenencies script got it, but didn't finish the job, I guess?22:11
potatoespotatoesyeah, it looks like install-fw-dependencies does do this step: https://source.mnt.re/reform/pocket-reform/-/blob/main/install-fw-dependencies.sh#L26-3122:12
potatoespotatoes(I was in the wrong repo)22:12
potatoespotatoesit also sets the correct tags22:12
potatoespotatoesso possibly your script crashed halfway22:13
murphnjSeemed like it worked OK.  I can delete the directory, and redo the whole thing.  Not like it has worked anyway.22:13
potatoespotatoesnote that I'm asking about /usr/src/pico-sdk because of this line:22:14
potatoespotatoeshttps://source.mnt.re/reform/pocket-reform/-/blob/main/pocket-reform-sysctl-fw/build.sh?ref_type=heads#L322:14
potatoespotatoesno need to delete anything. I think the main issue is you just need to line up this hardcoded path with where pico-sdk actually got cloned22:14
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murphnjNot sure why they would do that.  I had updated my firmware on it before, (fropm the pocket itself) so maybe they make some assumptions based on how the pocket is set up.22:15
potatoespotatoesputting things in /usr/src seems very odd to me, too. that's a very specific location with different OSs recommending different permissions in there22:15
murphnjI'll change it and give it a shot.22:16
potatoespotatoesoh, yeah -- maybe that's a debian thing. definitely not a universal rec22:16
murphnjThis is on debian.22:17
murphnjhm.  Changed the directory in build.sh to where that directory is located, and I get the same error.22:19
potatoespotatoescan you make sure you are using an absolute path?22:21
murphnjI am.  When I do an echo pn PICO_SDK_PATH, it showed nothing.  (Of course I'm not in the script)  I just copied that out, and ran the line, and now it shows.  I'm going to try to run again.22:22
murphnjNope, same exact error.22:22
murphnj(This is where my env variable experience in bash is failing me.)22:22
potatoespotatoesnext thing i would do is start littering cmake with messages to see where things fail22:23
potatoespotatoesit looks like cmake loads https://source.mnt.re/reform/pocket-reform/-/blob/main/pocket-reform-sysctl-fw/lib/pico_sdk_import.cmake?ref_type=heads22:23
murphnjIt really appears that the docs are leaving something to be desired.22:23
potatoespotatoeshaha, that's just open source software for you : P22:24
potatoespotatoesthere's always places for improvement22:24
potatoespotatoesbut we build it together and make things better! it's just sometimes a bit slow to get to a really good UX22:25
murphnjI'm really felling like an f-ing idiot.22:25
potatoespotatoeshaha, you are not alone22:26
potatoespotatoesSo looking at this code again. I think that pico_sdk_import.cmake is really the culprit. If the last `include` statement succeeds, you should get the pico-sdk's functions and compilation should begin22:28
potatoespotatoesdo you see any of the messages on lines 8,13,or 18?22:29
murphnjBut that doesn't seem to define it within itself, looks like it wants to get it from build.sh.  22:29
potatoespotatoesat this point I would just c/p the ./build.sh steps into a terminal22:29
murphnjWill try.22:30
potatoespotatoesyeah, Cmake can look up environment variables22:30
potatoespotatoes(I mean, it will look up variables in ENV if they are not defined)22:31
murphnjat the "cmake .." line, I get the exact same error.22:31
zehadebian's pico-sdk-source package puts the pico-sdk into /usr/src, but you can pick any other path22:31
murphnjbut when I "echo $PICO/SDK_PATH" I get the correct directory.22:32
potatoespotatoeswhat directory are you in? I am expecting it to be...22:33
zehacan you trash the build directory, and do the steps manually?22:33
potatoespotatoespocket-reform/pocket-reform-sysctl-fw/build22:33
zehai.e. rm -rf build ; mkdir build ; cd build ; cmake ..22:33
murphnjsure.22:34
murphnjSeems to have run.  WTF??22:35
murphnjDid it hang onto a remnant of a partial earlier run?22:35
zehacertainly possible22:35
zehacmake has a cache etc22:35
potatoespotatoesoooh! yes -- nuke that cache!22:36
murphnjOk, give me a couple of minutes, I need to re-prep the board to be flashed.  Then I'll do the next step, and see if it flashes.  (I don't trust past me, will make sure all of the jumpers and switches are in the right position.)22:36
zehado you need a special build or wouldnt a known good build be better?22:38
potatoespotatoesaside: does anyone know which device is eMMC on the rk3588-pocket?22:42
potatoespotatoesomg finally found it: https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-tools/-/blob/main/machines/MNT%20Pocket%20Reform%20with%20RCORE%20RK3588%20Module.conf#L1022:44
murphnjzeha:  What do you mean?  I cloned the repo as outlined in the instructions, I assumed that would do what it's supposed to.22:44
zehayou can, but also you can download the latest uf2 from https://source.mnt.re/reform/pocket-reform/-/jobs/9937/artifacts/browse/pocket-reform-sysctl-fw/build/22:46
zehapotatoespotatoes: was gonna link you that, but i was slow :D22:47
murphnjLooks like I don't see the sysctl.uf2 in the build directory for the actual flashing step.22:49
potatoespotatoeszeha: ugh, I'm just in this horrible nightmare of building shitty images that I think are working (for guix support), but apparently I've just been loading images from eMMC.22:49
potatoespotatoesbig facepalm moment over here22:49
zehahmm?22:50
murphnjI'll try just running build.sh again from the right location, and see if it spits it out.22:50
zehamurphnj: if you cmake .. && make, it should make a sysctl.uf222:50
murphnjI did the ./build.sh, and it seems to have generated it.22:51
murphnjI also see the board from the laptop with lsusb, so, let's try the flash again.22:51
murphnjHm, says it worked.  I'll have to re-assemble it, and see if it lives again.22:52
potatoespotatoesokay, I have to run -- best of luck, murphnj!22:53
murphnjthanks!  22:59
murphnjWell, it doesn't appear to be powering on.22:59
murphnjThe light on the charging board appears to be purple, when I plug in a charging cable.23:02
murphnjIt's blue when unplugged.23:02
murphnjOh, nvm, it appears to be on.23:03
murphnjIt is on, working with external keyboard.  Pregress!23:05
minutezeha: ah yeah there seems to be an "apt-get --update" in the install-fw-dependencies script 23:06
murphnjNo internal keyboard, but an external is working.23:06
minute(instead of apt-get update)23:06
murphnjThat's OK, as it turns out, with a sufficiently new version of apt.23:06
minuteoh ok 23:07
murphnjThis has been a bit of a long road so far.23:07
murphnjNow I have to try to flash the keyboard, which is how I bricked it in the first place.23:07
zehayeah it wants a new enough apt; otoh i'm now not sure which pico-sdk the official builds use23:07
zehaneed to look at a build log23:07
murphnjI'm a little nervous that the keyboard is dead.  I wasn't able to flash it successfully.23:09
murphnjIf the keyboard isn't responsive, and I can't see the menu, is there a way to get it into programming mode?23:11
murphnj"No accessible devices in BOOTSEL were found on bus 1.23:13
zehawhere are you running picotool?23:13
zeha"bus 1" looks sus23:13
murphnjFrom the pocket itself.         I may shut it down, toggle the power, and see if it responds.23:14
zehacan you paste lsusb output first?23:14
murphnjI'm following the keyboard/trackball firmware instrcutions int he handbook, but with the keyboard unresponsive, I can't get into programming mode, probably why it isn't working.23:14
murphnjI'll post the lsusb output in the forum, if you can check there.23:20
zehaheh23:23
zehayeah you have two rp2040 thinking they are sysctls23:24
murphnjAny way o tell them apart?23:24
murphnj(to)23:24
zehai think the one on bus 3 is the real sysctl, but not sure. i'll check mine23:28
zehaschematics suggest thats probably right23:31
murphnjok, trying bus 3 23:36
murphnjsame error, but bus 323:37
zehabus 3 (probably) has the real sysctl, so you dont want to flash the keyboard fw into that23:37
zehaand: the newer firmware no longer identifies itself as a generic rp2040. you need to put it into flash mode23:38
zehalet me see how to do that with reform-mcu-tool23:38
murphnjSorry, had just stepped out to grab something for dinner, did not read fully.  Good that it didn't flash, then.23:38
murphnjThe original problem was flashing the keyboard firmware, so I likely messed something up there.23:39
zehanot sure reform-mcu-tool can deal with this status :/23:40
zehahm23:42
zehait might work23:42
zehaso you could try `reform-mcu-tool bootsel pocket-sysctl-1.0` and then see with `lsusb` if the sysctl previously listed on bus 1 is gone23:43
zehaif yes, then you can use picotool load ...23:43
murphnji"ll try23:44
zehaif no, run `reform-mcu-tool reset rp2040-boot` to get the rp2040 back into sysctl mode23:44
murphnjgave a bunch of errors.23:46
murphnjdid I need to sudo that reform..... command?23:48
zehaah probably23:49
murphnjthe first one?23:49
murphnjwill redo.23:49
murphnjseems to have worked.23:50
murphnjthe one on bus3 identifies as Raspberry Pi rp2 boot.23:50
zehagiven thats likely the actual sysctl, you dont want to flash keyboard fw into that23:51
zehamaybe rerun reform-mcu-tool bootsel pocket-sysctl-1.023:51
zehaand then the one on bus1 should also switch into boot mode23:51
murphnjSo, if I try to do the one on bus1, it fails, could it not be in programming mode?  How can I get it in if it is unresponsive?23:53
murphnjIs there a way to check that the system FW is on the system controller?23:54
zehaif lsusb shows "Pocket Reform System Controller 1.0", then you have a sysctl fw there23:55
murphnjthen maybe not.  From before:23:55
zehai think `picotool info` will also say 'sysctl'23:55
murphnjthe one on bus3 identifies as Raspberry Pi rp2 boot.23:55
zehadid you run reform-mcu-tool bootsel pocket-sysctl-1.0 a second time?23:55
murphnjThat it does. but it doesn't say which one it is reading.23:56
zehayes, because it assumes you only have one of each23:56
zehabut i think it just picks one and acts on that23:56
zehaas soon as it switched one into boot mode, running it again will have it pick the other one23:57
murphnjAny ideas on how to get the keyboard one into programming mode so that it can be re-flashed?23:59
zehamy idea is above23:59

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