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joschuuuuuh fwupd!02:21
joschbut i have this laptop for hacking not for conveniences like *automatic firmware updates*!!! :D02:22
joschwhere are the times when i had to disassemble the thing and attach the board to another computer to update the firmware???02:22
joschjoking aside, i'm very much looking forward to trying this out -- i've never used fwupd02:23
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joschand: was the bottom acrylic *really* that shiny back then when my old reform was new?02:30
joschand: is the person assembling the classic reforms really making sure that all its cells are turned the same way? i really appreciate that attention to detail!02:31
josch(also no sparks anymore when changing the keyboard cover)02:31
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vagrantc_josch: what all is it expected to update? boot firmware?03:03
joschvagrantc_: sysctl and keyboard firmware03:05
joschi don't think fwupd updates u-boot yet03:05
vagrantc_that would be mildly terrifying :)03:06
joschi already find it terrifying to have it update sysctl and keyboard firmware :D03:06
vagrantc_josch: just burned myself with those recent u-boot-menu updates ... had no fdtdir entry on my pinephone ... but when i saw it boot on serial console i immeditely guessed what was wrong03:06
joschvagrantc_: same here03:07
vagrantc_true ... nothing like a little malicious keyboard firmware to ruin your day :)03:07
joschvagrantc_: though the "no fdtdir" problem is one where u-boot-menu does not run at the point where it should, no? usually re-running u-boot-update fixed it for me03:08
vagrantc_i had to unbreak mobian's assumptions about where the .dtb files go by re-running the kernel configuration03:11
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gsoraare we fwupdating today? :D09:23
joschminute: i'm wondering the same thing -- would you like me to flash the latest lpc firmware and install the updated lpc-dkms driver or should i be doing something else?09:25
minutejosch: keyboard fw is not yet prepared for fwupd. only sysctl09:36
minutejosch: if you could enable the testing remote in fwupdmgr on your pocket and refresh and see if you get an update in gnome-firmware, that would be great!09:37
joschminute: sorry, i was talking about classic reform above because gsora and some forum user have problems with that09:51
joschi'm doing the sysctl fwupd thing right now09:51
minutejosch: ah sorry, i was still waking up apparently 10:02
joschminute: no worries, it *is* becoming more confusing with all the reforms which i have at home these days XD10:02
minutejosch: yes, please do those things :D10:02
joschminute: also, should reform-desktop-full pull in gnome-firmware and fwupd?10:02
joschneither is installed by default10:02
minutejosch: oh, yes please. somehow i thought these were already part of the gnome install10:05
joschno worries, we do this to figure stuff like this out :)10:06
minutejosch: oh, yes please10:06
joschalso, no sysctl showing up in gnome-firmware: https://mister-muffin.de/p/qHD2.png10:07
josch(this is after enabling lvfs-testing)10:07
joschminute: also, my pocket is happily running off the bigger cells, nothing exploded yet :)10:09
minutejosch: ah, sysctl is completely absent, that's very odd10:16
minutejosch: very very nice @ big cells, i wonder how many hours you can get10:17
minutejosch: can you give lsusb output?10:17
minutejosch: ah, did you put back both jumpers near the internal usb-c? but they should be in the position facing away from usb-c10:18
joschminute: i'm finishing a rather lengthy forum post about my past four days of battery runtime experiments. Once I'm done, I'll test the runtime with the new cells and compare against the old values.10:18
minutejosch: cool!10:18
minutejosch: no, they should not be facing away. they should be in the position closer to the usb-c10:19
joschminute: oh no, you might be spot on! Where did i put the jumper that I used to bridge pins 2 and 3 of J1??? :D10:19
minutejosch: (sorry for my confusing instructions here, had slightly not enough sleep + doing some dog + appointment logistics before the mnt office)10:19
joschall fine, don't worry :)10:21
+ andreas-e (~Andreas@2001:861:c4:f2f0::c64)10:24
joschand i have to build myself a new jumper first, thank you for thinking of that10:24
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joschminute: got it. 20250609 -- would you like me to upgrade to that?10:45
minutejosch: yes! can you show some screenshots of gnome fw offering it?10:49
+ LainIwakura (~LainIwaku@user/LainIwakura)10:49
joschheh good i asked before pressing the upgrade button XD one sec...10:49
joschhttps://mister-muffin.de/p/1792.png10:51
joschwow there is even a description of what changed: https://mister-muffin.de/p/Zc_p.png10:52
joschminute: screenshots are fine? upgrade now?10:53
bremneris it expected the batteries would discharge when the pocket reform is in standby mode? Mine dropped to 50% over 1 month.11:03
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gsorahm, the app launcher in the sway session is broken12:24
gsorawhite text on white background12:25
bremnerconfirmed12:25
grimmwareif my batteries are at 3.8 and 4.2v respectively at 35% battery is that fine or bad?12:26
grimmwarealso, I've definitely had brownouts at ~25% a bunch of times when coming back to the pocket and making it actually do something like load a webpage from relatively idle12:27
gsoraah, .config/wofi.css has background color settings commented!12:28
joschgrimmware: i think i remember that it was a bad thing if the cells in the pocket are out-of-sync and that the built-in charging has a hard time syncing them up12:28
grimmwareoh they seem to be balanced at 3.6 each now on charging...12:29
grimmwarehmm12:29
grimmwareI might take them out and charge them externally when I get home12:29
grimmwareno harm in a little maintenance once in a while12:29
bremnerI have seen the display transiently change from balanced to unbbalanced and back. Not sure what that means, I assumed a software issue rather than actual unbalance12:30
grimmwaredifficult to say, the charging board for the pocket has seen a few failures12:30
joschbremner, gsora: re app launcher: the recent reform-tools ships a bunch of different defaults in /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/20_reform.gschema.override and what might've caused this regression for you is the change of org.gnome.desktop.interface gtk-theme from Adwaita-dark to Adwaita but with color-scheme = 'prefer-dark'12:32
bremnerI wonder if a simple session restart would help12:32
joschbremner: there are issues with the battery percentage reporting in the pocket firmware and minute is working on a fix (i'm trying it out right now)12:32
bremnercool12:32
joschbremner, gsora: re app launcher: can you try running gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.interface gtk-theme 'Adwaita-dark'12:35
joschthat should restore your previous setting12:35
gsoratesting right now, let me restore the css changes first12:36
bremnerjosch: yeah, that seems to fix it12:37
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gsoraconfirming the gsettings call fixes the issue!12:42
grimmwareyeah there we go, charging fuckery and then a brownout12:43
grimmwareat 37%12:43
gsorahoping in a new firmware and lpc driver release soon12:44
grimmwarewould negotiate ~26ishW from my battery pack before dropping to something like 7W and not charging12:44
grimmwarethen when I started playing around with putting it on other chargers the system had a brownout12:45
grimmwarereset of the sysctl seems to have helped12:45
grimmwareI think the new SPI stuff should help with more reliable reporting and negotiation but the brownouts I don't know, I would imagine it might be a precondition of the hardware failures :/12:46
grimmwareyeah fuck the thing's dropped to 7W again12:46
grimmware:(12:46
- mjw (QUIT: Ping timeout: 276 seconds) (~mjw@gnu.wildebeest.org)12:48
grimmwaregonna see if I can capture the W drop in the sysctl serial output12:50
grimmwareyou can see the change in the logs but you can't see any reason why12:51
grimmwareI wonder if the battery pack is confused about how much power it's actually got.12:52
grimmwarehmm, tbf I've only ever had this problem with this battery pack and the pack itself can do weird things if you put it on a low drain and I had it on 5V charge last night so that might be a factor12:54
joschminute: user frustrated with their rk3588 classic reform here: https://community.mnt.re/t/keyboard-keeps-disconnecting-and-reconnecting/3472 maybe you can weigh in?13:02
+ gustav28 (~gustav@c-78-82-55-148.bbcust.telenor.se)13:02
fricklergrimmware: you may want to enable debugging on the serial console, need to recompile with this enabled https://source.mnt.re/reform/pocket-reform/-/blob/main/pocket-reform-sysctl-fw/inc/sysctl.h?ref_type=heads#L2113:17
fricklergrimmware: that will give you detailed output from the charger13:17
+ LainIwakura (~LainIwaku@user/LainIwakura)13:18
frickleroh, you have disbalanced cells. that can take a good number of charge cycle to resolve. or charge the emptier cell externally13:19
grimmwarefrickler: nice, thank you. I think it’s the battery pack to be honest, I think it needs running down because it reports being near full but I suspect it’s done a slow drain and the firmware’s a bit shitty at tracking that so it’s actually putting out comparatively low voltage after a short amount of time13:19
grimmwareYeah I’ll do them both externally when I get home to eliminate that factor too13:19
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bremnershould there be some screen lock / timeout by default in the sway session?13:55
joschbremner: right now the default is "no screenlock" but there is a commented out example in the default config: https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-system-image/-/blob/main/etc/skel/.config/sway/config?ref_type=heads#L4213:57
bremnerall that about "before-sleep" and "resume" seems a bit optimistic? or is no suspend rk3588 specific?13:59
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joschbremner: the only platform which currently can resume from suspend reliably is imx8mq14:50
minutejosch: thanks for the link, i'll write there14:50
joschminute: should i press the "upgrade sysctl firmware" button in gnome-firmware?14:51
joschor would you like me to wait with that?14:51
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minutejosch: ok do it15:01
minutejosch: thanks for the screenshots, great15:02
joschminute: done. What effect should I see? Should the pocket now shut off reliably?15:37
joschhttps://mister-muffin.de/p/9E-w.png https://mister-muffin.de/p/FeFI.png15:37
minutejosch: great! i think it won't turn off reliably the first time after installing the fw. but the second+ time15:42
joschby chance it did turn off properly even the first time :)15:43
minutenice15:43
joschnow another battery runtime test and in ~5 hours i can send my post to the forum :)15:43
minutejosch: you are running the newest reform2_lpc driver with the battery % clamping, yes?15:44
joschnot yet -- but i can if there is no value in having it run with the old version15:47
joschbefore: https://mister-muffin.de/p/QqVd.jpg after: https://mister-muffin.de/p/CbTp.jpg15:47
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minutejosch: thanks, great16:04
joschthere is so much to update today... i had planned to also update the lpc of rk3588 classic reform but didn't get to do that yet due to $dayjob interfering XD16:08
gsoraafter a day of use i can say OPAL ssd's are great16:09
gsoratruly a step in the right direction FDE-wise16:09
gsoraalso, chromium feels a lot better compared to firefox :o 16:12
jfredI've always been a little skeptical of those self-encrypting drives... I like knowing that the code my distro's shipping is what's encrypting my drive16:12
gsorayeah i see your point, i'd say depends on your threat model16:12
gsorasurely it's great to have 0 performance hit on the thing16:13
gsoraalso as far as i understand LUKS is still managing the encryption keys16:13
gsorabecause you can add/remove credentials as usual16:13
kop316so for some reason, my pocket reform stops charging at 48% (3.7v). I tried  two different chargers, no change. is there a way to diagnose this?16:31
zehaplease flash a current sysctl firmware, and if the problem continues you can check the serial console if something like mps_fault changes 16:33
kop316is there a how to? i looked but didn't find anything16:38
zehathe short answer is https://mnt.re/update-pocket-sysctl + https://mnt.re/update-pocket-keyboard16:39
zehahttps://community.mnt.re/t/power-bank-with-higher-output-not-working/3422/7 has some more notes16:39
kop316awesome, thanks!16:40
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d_m_9hey folks, just got an mnt reform and notice that sometimes the screen has thin horizontal bars that flash on and off while the screen is updating. they are often white but sometimes other colors.19:06
d_m_my first thought is that maybe the display cable is pinched, so i'm going to take a look. but figured i should post here in case someone has a different idea.19:06
+ aakast (~aakast@87-49-45-32-mobile.dk.customer.tdc.net)19:11
gsoradoes this happens when you move the screen on the hinge?19:11
d_m_it happens when the screen is in a fixed position. i haven't observed it while moving.19:12
d_m_i just checked the display cable and it isn't pinched now but does look slightly flattened. so still unclear.19:13
aakastA bit curious, but what was the design choice, given the design principle, to choose soldered switches and not hotswaps? Hoping anyone has a great answer here.19:13
d_m_i'll power it back on and try moving the hinges, that's a good suggestion.19:13
gsorainteresting, d_m_, you might have the same issue i'm having19:13
gsoraminute: maybe bad display batch?19:13
joschor damage during shipment? i think the units are tested before getting shipped from berlin19:14
gsoraor that yeah19:15
d_m_maybe so. in my case it's somewhat subtle, wasn't immediately obvious with a full screen black terminal emulator.19:15
* d_m_ -> d_m19:15
gsorathough considering what i observed on my unit, the controller pcb appears either bent or not properly fixed to the display19:15
+ shtrophic (~m-hrdsqi@user/shtrophic)19:15
shtrophicGreetings19:16
shtrophicPower to the MNT people \o/19:16
joschwelcome shtrophic 19:17
d_mgsora: now that i started it back up i'm not seeing it, at least not yet.19:18
d_mat least for now my issue is not appearing. it doesn't seem to be hardware-related unless it is triggered by temperature or something else (moving the hinges doesn't cause it, running GPU/CPU heavy prgrams doesn't cause it)19:24
joschfew things are more annoying than issues that are not deterministic :(19:25
d_mindeed19:26
d_mi was using usb-c power when it happened; just tried it again and it was fine but i wonder if maybe the power supply was not adequate19:27
d_manyway, other than that the reform has been great so far! still getting used to the keyboard -- i may end up remapping a few things or creating some replacement key caps ;)19:32
joschd_m: you just received your rk3588 classic reform?19:36
d_myes19:44
d_malso i spoke too soon! the glitches are back. i took a short video of them19:45
d_mhttp://plastic-idolatry.com/erik/media/reform-glitches-jun10.mp419:46
d_myou can see thin white lines appearing and disappearing19:46
joschminute: ^19:50
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sigridI am trying to go with rk3588 install on the classic reform and I now realize it seems to be impossible because the lcd panel cable is too short20:15
sigridI can't imagine how I would be able to fit the hdmi adapter physically without breaking that cable20:15
sigridis it possible I missed something?20:16
minutesigrid: we have a cable version that is a bit longer than before, i also thought we'd shipped that, meh ;/ another option is to go with dsi->edp (you just need to remove one resistor on the motherboard to make it work)20:21
minuteanyway i got to run, will look here again tomorrow20:21
sigrid:( I'll need a more up to date guide on how to do it then20:28
kfxsigrid: I had to take my lid apart and carefully reinstall that cable, minimizing wasted turn radius etc, and I was able to just barely get it to fit21:05
kfxbut I am looking forward to switching to dsi for this reason, it's tiiiight21:06
sigridyeah, I am not going to try out and find out :D21:14
sigridfor now I installed imx8mq back, maybe until tomorrow. gotta find where I put my soldering station21:15
d_mi wonder if my issue could also be cable-related. i have an rk3588 but i didn't install the cable myself.21:15
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gsorahas anybody ever modded their reform2 keyboard? like adding foam inserts and the likes22:04
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joschgsora: modded how? I replaced more than 30 keycaps with custom made ones -- does that count?22:24
gsorakinda! :^) modded to change the sound profile, make it a little more… thocky  22:26
gsoraconsidering the very hollow chassis of a reform2 vs a standalone keyboard, that would be impossible, but I figured I could ask if someone tried already22:27
gsorausually people add foam inserts to change sound and feel at some extent22:27
joschi found that the sound profile already changes considerably (for the better) when using the anti flex bars22:28
kfxI want them anti-flex bars... once the new motherboard is available I'll order both22:28
gsoraanti flex bars for the switches or the entire keyboard?22:28
gsoraooo one can lube low profile switches 22:31
kfxfor the keyboard22:31
anttianti-flex bars ? what is this? 22:43
kfxbars that install beneath the keyboard to reinforce the pcb22:44
kfxso if you're a Heavy Typer the keyboard flexes less22:44
joschit also sounds less hollow22:44
anttiwow that is interesting22:44
kfxbehold:  https://shop.mntre.com/products/mnt-reform-anti-flexing-bars22:44
joschit gives the keyboard some support by the motherboard pressing against it from the bottom22:44
joschyes, you can also download the STL from there and print it yourself or file a piece of wood into the right size22:45
joschor put a piece of cardboard22:45
anttiI'm using twosabrent nvme metalic cases to level up the keybord . haha I should use somthing better. haha22:46
anttiI have KSW-BROWN switches. I don't like it that much becasue there are times when I press a key but there is no output -_- . I don't know if I would have the same issue with kaih choc white (clicky) ( I didn't see it in mnt store alone though )22:55

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