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mhoyehramrach: way, way back in the day, there was a CS prof somewhere who'd noticed that Gmail was still using only 512 bit keys for a mail server validation check, and he assumed that it was some sort of gotcha test by Google.04:25
mhoyeSo spend $400 on AWS, cracked the key and sent larry page a message from larry page.04:25
mhoye19 hours later gmail was using 2048 bit keys and he had a job offer.04:25
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joschhaha, nice anecdote :)08:29
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jahkoshahramrach: thanks for sharing, that was a good read. at this point I guess that solving a well crafted CAPTCHA would be more expensive than computing this PoW.13:05
jahkoshathat being said it's becoming harder and harder to have good CAPTCHA :-/13:05
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hramrachcaptchas have their own problems. One is that the LLMs are fairly good at solving them by now. Other is that they significantly degrade site accessibility, even more than Anubis.13:58
hramrachLike to the point that some people never get to the site at all.13:59
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minutewe have mcaptcha on support.mnt.re and i think it works fine so far?14:16
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elbI think I'm going to try to remap my pocket reform keyboard today15:39
elbMy usual portable keyboard is a Preonic, so it has exactly the same grid as the Pocket Reform, but I've been using a layout that is _not_ the same as the Pocket Reform for years, and it's become somewhat problematic for me to switch back and forth15:39
gl0belb: i did some minor remapping on mine a little while ago, i keep meaning to do some more to get they layout a bit closer to what i use with mu desktop15:40
elbI'm somewhat concerned about making things unbootable ;-)15:40
elband also long-term maintenance is a question, since I'll then be running a patched keyboard firmware15:40
gl0bit's not too bad. you're just flashing the kb not the sysctl15:40
[tj]and you can reflash it by opening the pocket15:41
elbyeah I have screwdrivers and a serial cable and a USB-C cable at the ready15:41
gl0bone tip if you haven't found it already. insert a delay into the flash command (sleep 5; ./flash.sh) then use that 5 seconds to put the kb into dfu mode15:42
jahkoshaelb: hey, an other preonic user here, I did not receive my reform pocket yet but I'm very interested into this... as I would love to replicate my qmk setup on it15:42
elbjahkosha: I don't plan to run qmk, although the forums do have a port of qmk, I believe15:43
elbgl0b: I suppose I don't even know how to put it in dfu mode, yet ;-)15:43
jahkoshaelb: last time I checked I did not found any port, so I was thinking re-implementing my layout using the native stuff15:43
elbI assume if I take the keyboard cover off I'll figure that out15:43
elbjahkosha: yeah, that's my plan15:43
elbI don't use any of the fancypants stuff like tap-or-hold keys, so I really just need to move some things around15:44
gl0bit's a keyboard combo that i can't remember off hand. hyper+enter to bring up the sysctl menu, then i think x?15:44
elbI'm the rare Emacs user who puts control in the lower left and ESC to the left of A, for example, vi-user-style ;-)15:44
elbgl0b: oh, that's easier than I expected, I assumed there'd be button pushing on a microswitch somewhere inside15:45
elbbut I haven't read the docs yet15:45
elbanyway I'm going to do all of this at my usual coffee shop so not having to open things up is going to make life easier :-)15:45
gl0byeah, X. there is a thread about it here: https://community.mnt.re/t/trouble-flashing-keyboard-firmware/2535/715:47
elbnice, yeah, I plan to troll the forums before I get too deep15:49
elbalthough my ADHD sometimes takes over and I just Flash the Things and sort it out later ;-)15:49
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gl0bthat's generally my favoured approach too!15:53
elbknow thyself15:53
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jahkoshaI think I'll just use kmonad (https://github.com/kmonad/kmonad) at first, I'm using tap-or-hold and layers.16:01
jahkoshathe qmk port was done only for the reform keyboard, not the laptops16:01
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elbahh that16:29
elbthat's possible16:29
elb(one of my problems: my usual preonic layout has ' where the pocket has enter!)16:29
jahkoshaACTION look at his preonic16:32
jahkoshaI see, I had just a quick look at the firmware code earlier, and something like that should be pretty easy to achieve16:33
elbyeah I looked at it before I got my reform and determined that I really only need to tweak some layout data structures and move keycaps around16:36
jahkoshaelb: best of luck! keep us posted please16:39
elbwill do!16:44
elbinstalling deps/etc right now16:44
elbmy wifi is ... not fast on this thing16:45
elbI might invest in a second and/or better antenna16:45
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wytchelb: I noticed significant wifi performance increase when I swapped the backplate from copper to aluminum. I /think/ I have a repository on source.mnt.re with the files, if not there's definitely a thread somewhere on the forums with files that someone else made. That being said, it's still slow. I get maybe a handful of mbps, but that's better than the handful of kbps I was getting before18:17
wytchthe ethernet cable is deffo the way to go18:17
elbI have the new backplate with the cleared areas18:19
elbok I wrote my new firmware, now to let it settle in18:19
elbI'm hitting the wrong keys again :-(18:20
elbI stressed-to-broke the stem on my backspace keycap, unfortunately18:20
elbso if anyone knows what adhesive might actually stick, I'm listening18:20
wytchAh, right on, it's been a minute since I've been tracking this stuff, so that's news to me18:22
minuteelb: backspace on classic reform?18:29
minutewytch: do you have the old pocket backplate, i.e. not https://shop.mntre.com/products/mnt-pocket-reform-back-plate?taxon_id=13 ?18:29
wytchminute: I believe so, I also got a backplate that ya'll shipped me when I filed a support request for some more display cables, but I'm not sure if it's the new one or not. I'll check it out when I get home18:33
elbminute: pocket reform18:37
elbonly one of the two stems and it didn't come off completely, so as long as I don't remove it AGAIN, I should be good for the mid term18:37
elbhttps://social.sdf.org/@elb/114889457422320266 <-- keyboard shot/comparison to preonic18:38
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minutewytch: if we shipped you a new backplate, i'm sure it's the new one (except some weird mistake happened)19:11
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minuteelb: nice @ preonic... now how do i fit cherry MXes (etc) in pocket reform...19:12
elbI actually _really_ like the pocket reform keyboard19:14
elbthat was one of my trepidations when I ordered, and it does take some adjustment, but I haev the white switches and I'm very happy19:15
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elband I no longer hit n instead of b nearly as often as I did a few weeks ago ;-)19:15
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minuteelb: oh, nice to hear!19:37
elbnice, I just tried my portable monitor for the first time and it works fine business19:50
gordon1yeah would be nice to get ortholinear version for classic as well :319:50
elbit doesn't seem to draw power over hdmi, but I assume that's expected, I just gave it USB-C and it's happy with that19:51
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wytchI ordered some of the new antennas for the pocket reform from mouser, happy to ship them to whomever needs them in the US for the cost of USPS shipping. 20:15
elbare those the ones that are currently shipping with pocket reform orders, with the short lead?20:17
wytchthat would be this one: https://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/538-146153-9150 - 150mm lead20:18
elbok yeah, same one I have20:20
wytchis there another part number for the short-lead antenna? I might include some on my next mouser order20:27
elbI think that is the short lead20:28
elbI guess I'd have to measure mine20:28
elbbut it's not long enough to go from the wifi card to the display cable side20:28
wytchah, ok, it's the one on the MNT reform shop, but I decided not to order from MNT because overseas shipping on such a small part seems to be a shame. I might eventually get some merch but it's not in the cards right now20:30
elbyeah I'm just looking for a second antenna for my other port20:33
wytchah right on, you looking for one with a longer lead?20:36
wytchmouser has a shipping facility in texas, so the shipping isn't quite as bad, even for small orders20:37
elbyeah, I plan to get one that's long enough to route around the edge of the case and stick outside of the display cable region20:38
wytchLooks like they carry ones with up to 300mm length, might be worth measuring before you order though20:41
elbyeah, and I need to figure out what the capabilities/restrictions are on the wifi card20:42
wytchrestrictions like FCC stuff? Do you have the AisaRF card?20:43
elbno, as in whatever it wants to be able to effectively use two patches20:45
wytchah fair enough20:45
elblike do the feed lines or spacing need to be phased, what frequencies are on each connector, etc.20:45
wytchI would imagine that stuff would be in the datasheet, but I don't really know enough about radios to be any use to you there20:46
elbyeah I'm sure it can nbe found, I haven't looked yet20:47
elbalthough the data sheet I did find said the chipset has bluetooth and I sure can't make that work, so I dunno20:48
wytchUsually the second antenna slot on the wifi card is bluetooth iirc20:48
elbbluez doesn't even see the card20:50
elbI was assuming it can also do diversity tuning, maybe not20:50
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wytchyeah, sounds like a potentially driver or firmware issue. 21:14
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elbyeah I just pulled the cover and I'm sure this is 150mm nominal22:56
elblooks like it takes something like 225-250mm to get to the headset/switch board without crossing the display cable in any way22:59
joschminute: these are the .mailmap entries I have so far. Is this what you want to see for your own commits? Is "Administrator <admin@example.com>" you? See https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-system-image/-/commits/4851cae80da8623305a5f89fd89f3ea749015e7e23:04
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minutejosch: sorry, i don't know what mailmap is23:33
minutejosch: administrator was probably me back when it was in gitea23:33
joschminute: it allows to translate the name and email of a commit to something different for viewing commits with git log or git show23:34
minutejosch: no that makes no sense, it talks about gitlab there... so maybe before i made my own user account or so23:34
joschfor example, i changed my last name so i use a mailmap for my projects so that my old name shows up as my new name (without changing the commit data of the past)23:34
minutejosch: i'm pretty sure at least 2 people in that log there don't want to be with clear name in some new file 23:35
minutejosch: at least not with those names23:35
joschminute: can you be explicit (query?)23:35
minutejosch: yeah23:36

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