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joschminute: I think I now cherry-picked most things (except for exec gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.interface icon-theme 'Papirus-Dark') into main and put the rest into reform-tools develop branch02:27
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grimmwareMy pocket appears to be consistently browning out somewhere between 45-65% battery. The voltages are never *hugely* out of whack, but I'm beginning to suspect that one of the cells is bad or something.13:23
grimmwareI've externally rebalanced a whole bunch of times.13:23
minutegrimmware: i have a similar issue, will look into it soon13:34
minutegrimmware: maybe it's resistive losses somewhere13:34
joschminute: here is a reform-system-image with the unreleased reform-tools changes from your setup-accessibility branch: https://source.mnt.re/josch/reform-system-image/-/jobs/13200/artifacts/browse13:37
joschin case you are enthusiastic and get to testing that before I do :)13:37
joschthough maybe i should include the latest reform-setup-wizard changes there as well to test everything at once13:38
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joschhere is with unreleased reform-tools *and* with unreleased reform-setup-wizard: https://source.mnt.re/josch/reform-system-image/-/jobs/13202/artifacts/browse14:13
joschi can test tonight if nobody beats me to it14:13
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minutejosch: cool, thank you!14:18
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grimmwareminute: I've been meaning to ask actually, why are there 2 thermistors on one side and only one on the other?14:34
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gordon1josch: i created a couple of bugs in the gitlab a while ago, got no acknowledgement, just want to check that they didn't fell through the gaps and got lost somewhere... no rush tho15:08
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grimmwareimma leave that to you to try because my downtime will be a lot longer if I fuck it up ;)15:54
grimmwareI'm happy to try to reproduce if you do find a physical fix though.15:55
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joschgordon1: i got an email notification about your bugs when you filed them, so they definitely exist and are tracked now16:23
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joschgordon1: thank you for filing them! I just so far had no chance to link them when somebody asked about these issues16:23
joschbut i think it's better to have the problems in bugs/bugs/-/issues than in some community.mnt.re forum thread16:23
gordon1ok, good, no worries16:23
joschgordon1: but you got no acknoledgement? I do not think you get an email notification about issues that you file yourself from gitlab16:24
gordon1i'm happy to give it a shot at debugging the EC issue if anyone has a clue wtf is going on and can point me at the right direction in the code16:25
gordon1josch: oh no, i just expected someone to drop a comment there or something, no worries16:25
gordon1*point to potential direction16:26
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joschgordon1: in that case i can give you the feedback that all the issues you filed that i remember are real -- i would've sent a message if i would somehow disagree but i liked the detail you provided16:26
gordon1it's just it's quite a bit of code in LPC fw16:26
gordon1that's ok, i am just figuring out your process of handling issues, if that's what to expect i wont be bothering you anymore when i'll file other ones16:27
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joschgordon1: it's not a bother, thank you for checking in :)17:13
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joschminute: wow, there is somebody saying stuff when the wizard starts!17:55
josch(it's too quiet though)17:56
joschthe gnome and sway icons are missing somehow17:56
joschoh the "installation on ssd" tab gets skipped and the wizard ends on the page before it17:57
joschwhen starting gnome, only the wallpaper is shown -- nothing else. I can start a terminal but "super" does not bring up the application chooser17:58
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erle_off_iceaustriancoder i think glxgears is now even more broken on my machine. should i report a bug to debian or to mesa? here is a screenshot: https://mister-muffin.de/p/4PBX.png19:44
joscherle_off_ice: the debian maintainer would certainly appreciate if you take the bug to upstream19:47
joschthere is not much that Timo (mesa maintainer in debian) can do about your bug because Timo only has (to my knowledge) x86 hardware19:47
erle_off_iceusing my reform has definitely taught me how well-traveled the x86 path is19:49
austriancodererle_off_ice: report it in Mesa directly.. 19:52
erle_off_iceanother thing: today i learned that sway(1) explicitly rejected the i3(1) feature where you can unmaximize a fullscreened window to have the fullscreen interface, but the window is smaller. i can achieve the same thing for a newly started application using cage(1), but idk how to reparent an *existing* window to cage. anyone has a solution for that19:53
erle_off_icethat does not involve using a sway fork?19:53
erle_off_icemy use case is that i want fullscreened website interfaces in floating windows (e.g. for watching babylon 5, a 90s scifi cop show)19:54
austriancodererle_off_ice: I will ask you this in the Mesa issue tracker. Have you tried latest main branch from Mesa?19:56
erle_off_icei have not and i have no idea how to even get there. i will upgrade my debian system now.19:58
erle_off_icei may not have time today or tomorrow to figure it out.19:58
erle_off_icei will do the report later i guess19:59
erle_off_icethank you both!19:59
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elbpocket reform rebooted spontaneously twice today, once during each lecture22:37
elbI updated yesterday, trixie may be getting me22:37
elbhmmm no new kernel today, that's unfortunate22:39
joschelb: i also had this happen to me last week randomly22:40
joschm.inute is investigating22:40
elbmine was pretty solid up until this last update, which _did_ include a kernel22:40
elbI believe 6.16.3-mnt-reform was solid but 6.16.7-mnt-reform is rebooting22:41
elbI haven't yet looked at how to boot into the old kernel to test, do I need a serial console cable for that?22:42
minuteelb: do you know approximately your battery percentage when this happened, and what kind of application?22:45
elbbattery percentage the first time was probably between 50 and 70%, second time lower than that22:59
elbapplications open were Emacs and firefox, but everything was idling at the time of the crash, I was talking, both times22:59
elbboth times were probably 45 minutes after boot, give or take22:59
elbversus yesterday I used it for like five straight hours with no instability, ran it from 100% down to 1% and then plugged it in and used it on the charge back up23:00
minutejosch: i thought about this on the way home. are you sure that gnome is starting and it's not just the leftover of setup wizard? or are you positive you were in gdm before?23:05
minutejosch: the bit about starting a terminal (with super+enter) also sounds like that, because that's supported in the setup wizard sway config23:05
minuteelb: ok interesting, thanks for this data. i haven't gotten this long runtime out of mine for quite a while, but my batteries should also be pretty aged by now. nevertheless, i have the issue that it reboots between 30-50% apparent gauge--esp if there's some more cpu/gpu activity at that point23:08
minutei'll look into all things pocket power very soon. i was in this rabbit hole for a while (and others, like Next, and helping with getting laptops shipped and troubleshooted): https://mastodon.social/@mntmn/115221399285719465 23:09
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minuteelb: what i can tell you is that at least for me, if the pocket reform is on a power supply, this reset issue never happens. 23:11
elbok interesting23:14
elbI'll run it on an doff power tomorrow nad see if I can reproduce23:14
elband I'll try to figure out how to boot the old kernel23:14
minuteelb: cool23:15
joschminute: ah good theory!23:21
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minutejosch: plomlompom changed something about how setup wizard exits/cleans up (or doesn't) according to some ticket i wrote 1 year ago, and i didn't remember what we agreed on and i also didn't have time to examine that part of the code, because i was totally focussed on the SSD part and getting audio and orca (screenreader) to work23:23
minutejosch: so it's expected that the exit no longer works23:23
joschah okay23:24
minuteoh, i should really clean up here https://source.mnt.re/reform/mnt-reform-setup-wizard/-/boards23:25
minuteok, closed all tickets that are done/not relevant any more, leaves 5 to double check (mostly filed by josch and ch)23:28
minutejosch: https://source.mnt.re/reform/mnt-reform-setup-wizard/-/merge_requests/11/diffs?commit_id=0ea7915f0b4826e30f5e4aa37ad0c3be31dd0abe23:29
joschoh cleanup scripts are no longer run23:31
minutejosch: yeah but there were also none left afaik23:31
minutejosch: https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-system-image/-/blob/main/reform-setup-sway-config?ref_type=heads#L5123:31
minutejosch: the question is why is "swaymsg exit" not called 23:31
minutemaybe the setup never exits and leaves a lingering thread? that's a common issue with gtk23:31
joschminute: "but there were also none left afaik" -- if the scripts would live in reform-setup-wizard repo and not in reform-system-image, such a question would be easier to answer, no? ;)23:32
josch--customize-hook='copy-in reform-setup-cleanup.sh /usr/share/reform-setup-wizard/cleanup.d'23:32
joschthat script calls "swaymsg exit"23:32
minutejosch: ok, let me rephrase it: https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-system-image/-/blob/main/reform-setup-cleanup.sh?ref_type=heads23:32
minuteyeah23:33
minuteso, what happened before is: the application called a script which in turn killed sway and thus also the application23:33
minutethis sometimes didn't work correctly so i moved all of the cleanup code into https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-system-image/-/blob/main/reform-setup.sh?ref_type=heads#L1923:33
minute(a longer time ago)23:34
minuteso then the cleanup stuff became obsolete23:34
minutebut really removing it was only merged now23:34
minuteand reveals the actual bug, which is that the application is probably not exiting correctly, or that "exec" line is wrong and needs to call bash -c23:34
minutewell, i'm tired. it does call bash -c23:35
minuteexec ADW_DISABLE_PORTAL=1 bash -c 'reform-setup; swaymsg exit'23:35
joschyes, that looks better23:35
minutethat's what's in there already and that doesn't seem to work then23:35
minutejosch: https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-system-image/-/blob/main/reform-setup-sway-config?ref_type=heads#L5123:35
joschindeed23:35
minuteanyway, i wanted to make feierabend :D but now you know a bit more about the mechanism23:36
joschyes, why "swaymsg exit" worked when called from a script in /usr/share/reform-setup-wizard/cleanup.d but not if it's part of the bash script that called the wizard needs to be investigated23:36
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