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| josch | is anybody here considering to attend 39C3 this year in hamburg? | 00:17 |
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| gordon1 | if i can get the tickets - i am planning to | 00:27 |
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| minute | josch: part of mnt is def. going | 01:26 |
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| ch | still split between c3 and a non-it event in stockholm | 07:28 |
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| josch_ | i want to plot a battery discharge curve for the classic reform | 15:18 |
| josch_ | do i rather query /sys/bus/spi/drivers/reform2_lpc/spi0.0/power_supply/BAT0/voltage_now | 15:18 |
| josch_ | or do i ask /sys/bus/spi/drivers/reform2_lpc/spi0.0/cells | 15:18 |
| josch_ | i see that the lpc module is using the 'q' and 'v' command to acquire the values | 15:18 |
| josch_ | and i read the code in the lpc firmware and see that two completely independent methods are used to get the values behind either of these | 15:19 |
| grimmware | plot both? | 15:19 |
| josch_ | but which of the two would give me a more "direct" measurement if i'm interested in an overall battery voltage (i don't need the individual cells) | 15:19 |
| josch_ | grimmware: but then i still wonder which value means what :) | 15:20 |
| grimmware | yeah but you can get on and write the script and share the outputs whilst waiting for someone to give you an answer ;) | 15:20 |
| josch_ | haha of course :) | 15:20 |
| grimmware | also plz share the script you use because I'd like to understand what the fuck my pocket is doing | 15:21 |
| * josch_ -> josch | 15:21 | |
| josch | grimmware: i'm just going to do a "while sleep 10; do cat ...; done > log.txt" | 15:22 |
| grimmware | haha, that's exactly what I'd do | 15:22 |
| josch | :) | 15:22 |
| + yqshao (~yqshao@user/yqshao) | 15:25 | |
| grimmware | I'm a bit stuck in procrastination with my pocket reform, I've got a potential fix for the screen flickering compiled and ready to install but I can't quite muster the fucks to test it out right now heh | 15:26 |
| + wielaard (~mjw@gnu.wildebeest.org) | 15:52 | |
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| josch | grimmware: let me attempt to inspire you to not procrastinate but do reform stuff by letting you have a peek at the table currently in front of me: https://mister-muffin.de/p/aHJ0.jpg | 16:24 |
| vkoskiv | That looks like a fun table! | 16:26 |
| josch | ch: i'd really love to have a way to make permanent changes to the pocket keyboard firmware without having to build and re-flash my custom firmware -- i just noticed why nothing was working for me: the mouse buttons are all wrong again XD | 16:26 |
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| ch | josch: maybe you saw i was working on my branch "featurestuff". my personal goal is to enable the OTG_AS_5V flag on the sysctl at runtime (+persistent). i also discovered on the kbd i'd want less brightness by default | 16:56 |
| ch | josch: i also guessed that people might want to remap keys, but i have no idea about that. maybe you can write down somewhere (issue?) what you'd want so maybe what i do could also cover that | 16:57 |
| josch | ch: remapping keys can be done in userspace though unless it's the spacebar or the hyper key | 16:57 |
| ch | right. the "buttons" are also keys kinda, from a fw perspective, i guess? | 16:58 |
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| + wstlr (~wstlr@5.13.169.217.in-addr.arpa) | 17:00 | |
| josch | yes, maybe mouse buttons are also mappable using the hwdb.d method | 17:00 |
| josch | now i have a motivation to check this | 17:00 |
| josch | oh on it's not | 17:01 |
| josch | because the keyboard uses the mouse buttons as modifiers for the scrolling functionality | 17:01 |
| josch | similar to how the bottom left key is a modifier which the firmware translates to something else when pressed | 17:01 |
| ch | can you put your fw source diff somewhere? | 17:02 |
| josch | ch: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/695ea7cf | 17:04 |
| ch | nice TODO there ;) | 17:06 |
| josch | yes :) | 17:06 |
| ch | but yeah that pushes my thinking more towards "json" (cf fedi thoughts the other day) | 17:09 |
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| + wstlr (~wstlr@5.13.169.217.in-addr.arpa) | 18:50 | |
| minute | grimmware: can you show the fix diff? | 18:52 |
| grimmware | http://paste.debian.net/1399109/ iirc this was the only part of the power on/off lifecycle from the datasheet that I could see | 19:05 |
| grimmware | There's some stuff that happens out of order too, that was going to be my next attack | 19:05 |
| grimmware | josch: dude that's so fuckin cool | 19:06 |
| - bkeys (QUIT: Quit: With every step we take, danger will follow closely) (~Thunderbi@98.19.131.193) | 19:09 | |
| josch | :) | 19:11 |
| elb` | minute: so I just had a new and interesting maybe-power-related reboot of my pocket; it got down to single-digit nattery percentages, so I plugged it in (a charger I often use, it's a Dell 45W), and about 30-45 seconds later it rebooted | 19:15 |
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| + bkeys (~Thunderbi@98.19.131.193) | 19:27 | |
| minute | elb`: aw weird. with the latest and greatest firmware? | 19:35 |
| minute | josch: nice table + gear :D | 19:36 |
| ch | :o | 19:39 |
| + wielaard (~mjw@gnu.wildebeest.org) | 19:39 | |
| ch | minute: on pocket, am i right that we'd need a different usb chip to get the dp pins muxed or is there a chance for a small hw mod to get them onto the usbc? (so i could maybe test the pd stuff for dp) | 19:41 |
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| ch | (i probably asked this previously but i forgot the answer) | 19:42 |
| minute | ch: btw braindump about saving prefs in keyboardctl or sysctl: 1. pico sdk has flash write/read functions. gotta find out if we can reserve some area in flash memory that's safe to overwrite. 2. minimal configuration format idea: 32-bit / 4 char key (like FourCC / IFF type id) + 32-bit value. terminated by 0x0000 key. | 19:42 |
| * mjw -> Guest4270 | 19:42 | |
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| * wielaard -> mjw | 19:42 | |
| minute | ch: ah right. i need to look into this anyway @ dp muxing | 19:42 |
| + Guest4270 (~mjw@2001:1c06:2486:a800:7602:5eff:dc71:a72c) | 19:42 | |
| ch | minute: i have a branch that puts prefs into the last page/sector in flash | 19:42 |
| minute | ch: oh wow ok :D | 19:43 |
| minute | ch: show me | 19:43 |
| minute | :D | 19:43 |
| minute | ch: what format did you choose? | 19:43 |
| minute | ch: and do you check the size of the flash? :3 | 19:43 |
| ch | https://source.mnt.re/zeha/pocket-reform/-/commits/featurestuff?ref_type=heads very rough | 19:44 |
| ch | no i just assume its the max size the pico sdk supports | 19:44 |
| ch | linker script and all is still tbd | 19:44 |
| ch | re format: i plan to autogenerate a struct, and accessor code for usb. and reform-mcu-tool could learn to parse a metadata json | 19:45 |
| ch | have been thinking about this the last few days | 19:45 |
| ch | so then you could say f.e. reform-mcu-tool set input-hid-1.0 trackpad_buttons left right scroll middle, or so | 19:47 |
| ch | at least that could be the idea | 19:47 |
| ch | open for all sorts of input | 19:47 |
| minute | ch: ah, it's just a struct on the controller side, and parsed from/to json on the linux/tool side? | 19:47 |
| minute | ch: that's cool, but i'm wondering how the prefs will stay compatible through fw upgrades/downgrades(rare). or will they just be nuked? or the linux side can take care of poking the prefs again? | 19:49 |
| ch | so the fw could be "somewhat" dumb. it will still need to know setting 3 = this part in the struct, but i think that can be codegened. and embedded jaon could say setting 3 = trackpad_buttons and format X | 19:49 |
| ch | yeah there are some constraints on what can change on upgrades. but i think it doesnt need to be 100% flexible | 19:50 |
| ch | i think if you "save" after downgrade you'll loose settings the old fw doesnt understand | 19:50 |
| ch | but thats probably ok? | 19:51 |
| ch | i was also pondering fourcc but being limited to single 32bit vals seemed meh | 19:55 |
| minute | ch: yes that's fine | 19:58 |
| minute | ch: s-expressions ;)) | 19:58 |
| ch | :)) | 19:58 |
| + wstlr (~wstlr@5.13.169.217.in-addr.arpa) | 19:58 | |
| minute | ch: i def. like the codegen idea | 19:59 |
| ch | "lets put a FORTH into the fw, like on real unix machines" ;) | 19:59 |
| minute | hehe | 20:00 |
| ch | i'll try to write more code soon. lets see how well that goes | 20:00 |
| minute | ch: cool, looking fwd! | 20:03 |
| minute | i just did some soldering on my charger board... replaced f1 with zero ohms and put some capacitors in front of the cells. but no idea yet if that'll do any good | 20:04 |
| minute | aaaand brownout. i think my cells are just very aged | 20:08 |
| minute | from hundreds of charging cycles | 20:08 |
| elb` | minute: system controller 20250623 | 20:21 |
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| + wstlr (~wstlr@5.13.169.217.in-addr.arpa) | 20:27 | |
| elb` | regarding saving config info, unless you just can't afford the space (but I think 2040/2350s all have huge flash, right?), I recommend TLV instead of just type + value; inevitably you'll eventually have some value that isn't four bytes long, and then you have a conundrum | 20:29 |
| elb` | the problem with TLV is you're looking at a minimum of 12 bytes per field to preserve alignment | 20:29 |
| elb` | (assuming you want 32-bit type and you want integer-aligned values) | 20:30 |
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| + sbp (~sbp@apache/doge/sbp) | 20:30 | |
| elb` | also I know it was a joke, but open boot would be _amazing_ :-) | 20:31 |
| + plomtest (~plom@user/plomtest) | 20:34 | |
| - wstlr (QUIT: Ping timeout: 264 seconds) (~wstlr@5.13.169.217.in-addr.arpa) | 21:01 | |
| minute | elb`: how do you feel about upgrading your firmwares? that should be relatively painless now via gnome-firmware | 21:11 |
| minute | elb`: the latest is 20251001 | 21:11 |
| minute | funny, i'm currently running reform-system-image (for next) on the original firefly development kit. just had to turn off some pcie controllers in dtb | 21:12 |
| + wstlr (~wstlr@5.13.169.217.in-addr.arpa) | 21:14 | |
| elb` | minute: oh I'm happy to upgrade my firmware, I just didn't know there was a yesterday version ;-) | 21:28 |
| elb` | I'm running customized firmware (just layout) on my keyboard anyway | 21:28 |
| elb` | I'll do that this weekend | 21:28 |
| josch | minute: is that the rk3588 hibernate deep-dive incoming? ;) | 21:28 |
| elb` | there are actually keyboard firmware fixes I should integrate, too, my build is pre-de-strduping | 21:29 |
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| minute | josch: not yet :D this was to check usb superspeed performance vs my next prototype | 22:30 |
| minute | elb`: alright! | 22:30 |
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| josch | :) | 22:33 |
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| * whereiseveryone -> jgart | 23:49 | |
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