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| kfx | I believe crowdsupply units come with the i.mx8mplus compute module. I base this on the knowledge that crowdsupply is affiliated with mouser and that's what mouser reports having in stock. | 00:02 |
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| dormito | thanks | 00:19 |
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| minute | dormito: kfx: that is correct. | 02:18 |
| minute | gordon1: no idea, it should be ok though... usb-c pd is handled on classic reform with a standard TI chip that does everything automatically | 02:19 |
| minute | josch: can you describe that hang in more detail? | 02:21 |
| minute | josch: and what computer? | 02:21 |
| minute | josch: framebuffer only supports 8 colors. | 02:21 |
| minute | josch: no, that's not true. framebuffer (/dev/fbX) is true color. but the linux console vt supports only 8 colors. | 02:22 |
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| minute | ch: interesting! https://github.com/AsahiLinux/vdmtool | 02:51 |
| minute | heh, funky cap sense slider on this gadget https://www.tindie.com/products/ReclaimerLabs/usb-c-explorer/ | 02:53 |
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| josch | minute: sorry XD rk3588 pocket reform had the following: both keyboard and trackball disappeared on usb (the mouse cursor was gone from the display) but the keyboard was still lit up. Nothing happens when pressing any key. Resetting the keyboard via the oled made the cursor re-appear and both keyboard and trackball worked again. | 06:34 |
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| josch | huh something even more strange is going on -- i lost ethernet there... | 08:10 |
| josch | i'll try to reproduce | 08:10 |
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| josch | minute: okay, i have more data about this. Here is my dmesg: https://mister-muffin.de/p/ywVb.txt | 08:28 |
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| josch | at 19:52 i have the "reset full-speed USB device" messages | 08:29 |
| josch | at 20:47 i notice and reset the keyboard and both usb devices come back | 08:29 |
| josch | at 21:52 i apparently lost ethernet for an unknown reason | 08:30 |
| josch | at 21:55 i reset the keyboard for a second time (but in error) | 08:31 |
| josch | at 01:29 ethernet wobbles again for unknow reasons | 08:31 |
| josch | it's wonky | 08:32 |
| josch | i'm creating the same setup right now -- if you have something that i should log/try for my next run to get more debug data i'm all ears :) | 08:32 |
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| minute | josch: it's possible that these USB dropouts are electrical issues | 13:24 |
| minute | josch: btw your log looks like you're not on the latest reform2-lpc-dkms? | 13:24 |
| minute | josch: (because i see some driver failed to report voltage_now lines) | 13:25 |
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| ch | hi | 13:29 |
| minute | hi | 13:29 |
| josch | yes, too many experiments at once | 13:39 |
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| ch | does the oled need a 'screensaver'? | 14:38 |
| ch | i had the battery info on for a while, and in the menu the previously shown text is quite visible :o | 14:38 |
| + wstlr (~wstlr@host-212-159-139-59.static.as13285.net) | 14:49 | |
| ch | minute: 79% charge: 3.7V, 3.6V | 14:57 |
| josch | okay, so i made a curious observation | 15:27 |
| josch | as pointed out yesterday, with screen, ssd, keyboard, trackball removed, rk3588 lasts 11.9475 when idle | 15:28 |
| josch | on the same setup, but with stress -c 8, that setup lasts 5.416 hours | 15:28 |
| josch | this means that several hours of battery life are not eaten by the processor (it could do nearly 12 hours) but by screen, keyboard, trackball, ssd, wifi | 15:29 |
| josch | is that plausible? | 15:29 |
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| vkoskiv | I found out rms is giving a talk in Helsinki next thursday, I think I'll check that out | 15:51 |
| bremner | glad to hear he's well enough to travel (even if I might not seek out such a talk) | 15:53 |
| minute | now-thats-a-name-ive-not-heard-in-a-long-time.gif | 16:03 |
| minute | i once got invited to keynote at libreplanet and i turned it down because of rms etc | 16:07 |
| vkoskiv | Yeah, that's fair. I just feel like attending because despite all the questionable positions/takes he has, my life has been significantly influenced by his other work. | 16:09 |
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| minute | sure, curiosity is fine | 16:10 |
| minute | i set up a tangara-companion arm64 flatbak build https://source.mnt.re/reform/tangara-companion/-/jobs/13460 | 16:12 |
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| josch | ah now i remember why i didn't package it for debian: tree-sitter-lua is a very complex crate... | 16:20 |
| aelius | New here. I'm kindof casually interested in getting one of the reform devices. I'm not super interested in tinkering, it's more that I just want a laptop with physical buttons for the touchpad, and hey neat this one is opensource. I'm super interested in the trackball, actually, but the newer device seems to not have that? How hard would it be to fit that to the new one? | 16:50 |
| aelius | Generally interested to hear about how this might perform for me as basically being an end user. No intense job/gaming/other requirements, not super keen on troubleshooting say, the keyboard firmware | 16:52 |
| aelius | The only thing holding me back from just ordering and trying it out is a) price on top of tariff wildcard :( and b) I would really like a nicer screen. A 1080p120Hz oled would be ideal, I think. Anyone mod one of those in yet? | 16:54 |
| aelius | I say I'm not interested in tinkering and yet posit that I want <things requiring tinkering>. I am my own worst enemy in this way. | 16:55 |
| minute | aelius: the trackball doesn't physically fit in the reform next. | 16:58 |
| aelius | darn. Why did it get left out? Wasn't that great? | 16:58 |
| minute | aelius: and ordering from crowd supply, there are no tariffs because the wares are already in the US then. | 16:58 |
| aelius | Ah, good to know | 16:58 |
| minute | aelius: the class reform has the trackball and has similar HW specs | 16:59 |
| minute | classic reform | 16:59 |
| minute | the rk3588 version is not yet on CS though | 16:59 |
| minute | aelius: i also want 120hz, but didn't find a panel yet, and OLED, a whole other story. would be nice though, for sure. | 17:00 |
| aelius | Yeah, I wasn't super clear on the differences between the new one and the classic one. I see that the new one is redesigned to be a bit more modular. But I have zero context for these cpus other than understanding they are ARM based. | 17:00 |
| minute | aelius: the next is thinner and has a more flush body and no acrylic bottom plate | 17:09 |
| minute | aelius: as a casual user you def. want the rk3588 processor | 17:09 |
| minute | aelius: if you want to do modern web browsing without waiting for page loads | 17:10 |
| + wstlr (~wstlr@5.13.169.217.in-addr.arpa) | 17:11 | |
| minute | aelius: maybe the pocket reform would be something for you, have you considered it? | 17:11 |
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| aelius | I was curious about it, but I'm a left-hand amputee and That complicates how I'm able to hold a device. A traditional laptop is pretty self-balancing. | 17:24 |
| aelius | Good to know about the processor. I definitely try to minimize the amount I engage with the bloated web these days, but I would also be annoyed if it were slow when I needed to use it. | 17:26 |
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| aelius | –Actually, I use my laptop to remote into my desktop a lot and that brings up a question. Does this CPU support low latency H.265 decode? like 5 ms or less. | 17:32 |
| aelius | That's usually a hardware feature on the chipset of most laptops. | 17:33 |
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| minute | aelius: ohh i see @ holding the device | 18:19 |
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| minute | aelius: the hardware can do that but i think the drivers are not yet fully wired up @ h265 decode | 18:20 |
| minute | https://gitlab.collabora.com/hardware-enablement/rockchip-3588/notes-for-rockchip-3588/-/blob/main/mainline-status.md | 18:20 |
| minute | patch is from august, pretty new still https://lore.kernel.org/linux-rockchip/20250808200340.156393-1-detlev.casanova@collabora.com/ | 18:20 |
| minute | > Therefore, a patched version of userpace tools is needed for HEVC | 18:21 |
| minute | support (added for GStreamer[2] and in an early stage for FFmpeg[3]). | 18:21 |
| minute | aelius: i think that doesn't fullfil your "no tinkering" requirement at the moment, sorry. but perhaps at a later time. | 18:21 |
| aelius | Specifically, I would need this wired up to the "Moonlight Game Streaming" program, Not sure if the patch discussed here would even plumb into that. | 18:23 |
| aelius | I'll keep an eye on this though, thanks | 18:23 |
| minute | if they use gstreamer or ffmpeg, it can probably be done | 18:28 |
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| aelius | I don't think a single patched library temporarily is a big deal. Probably would use debian stable, shouldn't be terribly difficult | 19:00 |
| ch | minute: would be great if you could try this with your monitor setup: https://source.mnt.re/reform/pocket-reform/-/merge_requests/64 | 19:04 |
| ch | hmm | 19:09 |
| ch | role flip might be hampered by timing issue | 19:10 |
| ch | works but not every time | 19:10 |
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| ch | i think thats enough C for one day | 21:48 |
| ch | my VDM message parser crashes, bleh | 21:48 |
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| minute | ch: woah woah @ your MR. can only test from tomorrow night though. | 23:10 |
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