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| josch | digitalrane: the u-boot "forks" are just a bunch of git repos which clone u-boot and apply some patches. There exist one repo per SoM. As for Linux I'm not aware that somebody has made a list of which things work for each some without the patches, i.e. just with mainline. On the other hand, the answer would be easy for many SoMs if you also want the dtb in mainline: nothing. :) | 01:27 |
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| digitalrane | thanks, that's helpful - but what I mean is - for example, we don't use mainline uboot for everything right? I thought for at least pocket we used the boundary fork | 02:43 |
| josch | digitalrane: depends. Pocket with RK3588 uses mainline u-boot with a few patches: https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-rk3588-uboot/https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-rk3588-uboot/ | 02:47 |
| josch | errr | 02:47 |
| josch | https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-rk3588-uboot/ | 02:47 |
| josch | whereas for imx8m+ a boundary fork is used, yes: https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-imx8mp-uboot | 02:47 |
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| ch | hi | 10:08 |
| f_ | high | 10:08 |
| f_ | :) | 10:08 |
| ch | lo | 10:08 |
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| UsrBinAnnika | lough | 10:17 |
| josch | ch: moin! _o/ | 10:18 |
| josch | ch: i see you had too many asiarf cards? :D | 10:18 |
| ch | i did | 10:19 |
| ch | thought you might like one too | 10:19 |
| josch | but i already had "too many asiarf cards" myself XD | 10:19 |
| josch | in other words: if anybody here needs some asiarf wifi cards... :) | 10:19 |
| josch | ch: do i see you for the mnt community dinner in hamburg? | 10:20 |
| ch | yes | 10:21 |
| josch | nice! i added you to my list :) | 10:21 |
| josch | we can trade asiarf cards then :) | 10:21 |
| ch | might bring +1, will let you know if that happens | 10:22 |
| josch | perfect | 10:22 |
| ch | thanks for organizing | 10:22 |
| josch | :) | 10:22 |
| josch | minute: i just saw that the classic reform with rk3588 is also affected by the "only one orientation gives usb 3 superspeed/5000MBit/s" problem. Does this mean that there is a bug on the SoM? | 10:31 |
| ch | josch: will indeed bring +1 | 10:40 |
| ch | minute: please go to https://source.mnt.re/pocket/pocket-reform/-/settings/repository#js-protected-tags-settings and set it up so that the "20*" tags are protected. example screenshot: https://tmp.deduktiva.com/p/Screenshot%202025-11-20%20at%2010.39.26.png and https://tmp.deduktiva.com/p/Screenshot%202025-11-20%20at%2010.39.37.png | 10:45 |
| ch | minute: i think this will fix the lvfs-upload job not running for these tags | 10:45 |
| ch | minute: explainer: the LVFS_UPLOAD_NETRC variable should have the flag "Protect variable" set, hiding it from CI runs for unprotected branches and tags(!) | 10:46 |
| ch | minute: in my ci/lint simulations that seems to fix it | 10:46 |
| minute | josch: classic reform doesn't have usb-c for data | 10:57 |
| minute | josch: so there is no way to have an orientation issue on classic reform. what exactly is your (cable) setup? | 10:59 |
| josch | minute: i have a Logitech StreamCam which has a usb-c cable attached to it. I attach it to the classic with a usb-A to usb-C adapter. | 11:02 |
| josch | i check whether it's 480 or 5000 speed using "lsusb -t" | 11:03 |
| minute | josch: and where are you changing the orientation? | 11:03 |
| josch | the only place where it's possible: at the adapter plugged into the reform | 11:04 |
| josch | the usb-c cable of the camera is not detachable | 11:04 |
| minute | josch: aha | 11:04 |
| minute | josch: both orientations will make a connection to the same set of pins on reform | 11:05 |
| josch | funky | 11:05 |
| josch | usb-c/usb-a adapter broken then | 11:05 |
| minute | josch: how do you prove that? | 11:06 |
| josch | if you say that it's not the reform, then my guess is that it has to be the adapter | 11:06 |
| josch | because it's the only other thing between reform and camera | 11:06 |
| minute | josch: why can't it be the camera? | 11:07 |
| josch | i do not understand usb-c enough to conclude either way | 11:07 |
| josch | i thought that if it does 5000 one way then why would it be the camera if it cannot do it the other way round | 11:07 |
| minute | josch: because the camera has only one set of superspeed pins too | 11:08 |
| josch | hm... | 11:08 |
| minute | josch: and a mux (switch) that switches those pins to the other side of the cable | 11:08 |
| minute | josch: depending on the orientation of the cable | 11:09 |
| josch | okay | 11:09 |
| josch | i unfortunately cannot test much more because i do not have more usb-c devices here :D | 11:09 |
| minute | josch: yeah, that's the problem | 11:09 |
| minute | you would need more hosts and devices | 11:09 |
| josch | thank you for your feedback <3 | 11:10 |
| josch | in practice i now know to be careful with this device | 11:10 |
| josch | (and maybe add some markings to the usb-c connector with an edding...) | 11:10 |
| josch | ch: cool, you are both on my list now | 11:11 |
| ch | ta | 11:16 |
| Zaba | josch: is it a usb-a plug to usb-c receptacle adapter? | 11:30 |
| josch | Zaba: just to make sure we are talking about the same thing, the adapter looks like this one: https://www.reichelt.de/de/de/shop/produkt/adapter_usb-a_stecker_usb-c_buchse_schwarz-224254 | 11:34 |
| Zaba | yeah, those are explicitly prohibited by the spec (primarily because they made it too easy to connect two usb-a hosts together, shorting their power supplies and thereby causing mischief), which means there’s no standard way to construct them, and I do believe they may have issues with usb3 signals orientation | 11:36 |
| josch | what is the "right" way to connect a camera with a usb-c cable to a device like the classic reform then? | 11:41 |
| minute | josch: probably a hub that has usb-c sockets | 11:44 |
| josch | i guess there will be some point in the future where my household has no devices with USB-A anymore... some time... | 11:51 |
| ch | that will take a lot of time | 11:51 |
| josch | yup | 11:52 |
| Zaba | yeah devices with captive usb-c cables are a bit unfortunate in this regard | 11:52 |
| Zaba | which is why it wasn’t really a common design for a while I think | 11:52 |
| josch | right, lesson learned i guess. I'll have to remember avoiding devices with a non-removable usb-c cable *unless* they are usb-hubs. | 11:54 |
| josch | in completely unrelated news, i just got a bunch of 10-pin, 20-pin and 33-pin fpc cables in different lengths. I'll bring them to hamburg in case somebody wants to stock up on replacements. | 12:08 |
| josch | and in more unrelated news i just replaced the screws of the classic reform and pocket reform covers with M2 screws with a TX (torx) head. I'm *very* please with how much nice it is now to open and close classic and pocket. The only downside is that I now need to carry two screwdrivers around with me | 12:12 |
| gordon1 | welcome to the club | 12:15 |
| gordon1 | the only issue i'm having with it is that my cheap blackened screws wear the coating to quickly, so keyboard bottom corner screws are completely worn off already | 12:17 |
| gordon1 | probably should have bought nicer screws | 12:17 |
| gordon1 | josch: did you replace the hinge screws as well? | 12:18 |
| josch | gordon1: not yet! both hinges are still running on being connected by two M2 screws each. Neither broke (yet). | 12:18 |
| gordon1 | oh no i meant the big ones, was it M4x5 or something? | 12:19 |
| gordon1 | i have trox replacement but too lazy to strip everything down to replace it tho | 12:19 |
| gordon1 | one day.. | 12:19 |
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| minute | josch: is the reform ccc meeting already fixed on the 12-29, or could it be on the 12-28? the 12-29 is the last night of congress and we'd usually prefer to be there (at the congress) instead of somewhere else | 12:32 |
| minute | josch: sorry i didn't interact with this earlier, too much on my plate as always :D | 12:33 |
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| josch | minute: no, it could also be on the 28th | 13:31 |
| josch | gordon1: my goal is not to replace all the screws but just those that i find myself constantly removing and putting back as i open and close these things | 13:32 |
| josch | If I never touch a screw (like for the hinges) then there is little motivation to swap the head out for torx. | 13:32 |
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| josch | gordon1, ch: can you make the evening of the 28th as well? | 16:04 |
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| gordon1 | josch: sure i can | 17:01 |
| gordon1 | it's sort of a gamble without a fahrplan, isn't it? | 17:01 |
| gordon1 | or is it available already? | 17:01 |
| josch | https://fahrplan.events.ccc.de/congress/2025 is 404 | 17:04 |
| gordon1 | well, i hope it won't overlap with bunnie's talk | 17:08 |
| ch | josch: yeah | 17:15 |
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| josch | gordon1, ch: awesome thank you for the quick feedback! | 18:42 |
| josch | in other news: for the first time in my life i have just charged a device using a "powered usb hub" via usb-c pd | 18:42 |
| josch | strange new world... | 18:42 |
| chorc | with the new pocket keyboard fw fn+trackball only changes brightness, is it a bug or a feature? | 19:03 |
| josch | chorc: sounds like a bug | 19:06 |
| josch | minute: ^ | 19:06 |
| chorc | I kinda like it this way, so not sure | 19:15 |
| chorc | setting colors via hidraw0 still works, it's just the gesture with the trackball now changes the brightness with vertical movement, does nothing with horizontal | 19:18 |
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| minute | chorc: weird | 20:05 |
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| elb | 1734755f on pocket reform handbook removes, to my knowledge, the only place in the pocket reform documentation that talks about connecting to the motherboard console uart | 21:56 |
| josch | thank commit also removes the section about how it boots up with u-boot but even on the handbook for classic reform, details about that have been missing for a long time: https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-handbook/-/issues/2 | 22:05 |
| josch | *that commit | 22:05 |
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| bkeys | I'm trying to create an x86_64 chroot for centos stream 10 and I can't even get epel working | 23:48 |
| bkeys | It installs the epel-release package but when I run dnf repolist all | grep -i epel | 23:49 |
| bkeys | I get no output at all | 23:49 |
| bkeys | Wrong chat | 23:56 |
| josch | :D | 23:56 |
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