2025-12-13.log

UsrBinAnnikainstalling gdm3 seems to have kicked greetd to the curb without any other setup 🎉00:08
minuteUsrBinAnnika: ooc, since when do you have your pocket reform?00:08
jfredcwebber: woo glad to hear it :D00:23
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UsrBinAnnikaminute: since january this year01:08
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minuteUsrBinAnnika: ah, i think we did the gnome migration in like april or may02:11
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gordon1https://files.catbox.moe/wsrmaa.png03:17
gordon1ACTION pretends he knows what he's doing03:17
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minutegordon1: haha nice11:30
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minutei wonder how well kexec works on our machines https://wybcz.pl/posts/2015-03-08-fun-with-kexec/13:21
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minuteTIL: power-profiles-daemon basically does nothing on rk3588 13:39
minutei.e. switching to powersave doesn't actually touch the cpu governors13:39
minutebut also tuned-ppd cannot really switch to powersave13:40
minuteonly "performance" works (and "balanced" switches to schedutil)13:40
minutescary file btw: /etc/tuned/bootcmdline13:43
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minutei have a feeling there is some work to be done in the arm64 power profile landscape... esp for big.little. the tools seem to have strong intel/amd assumptions13:46
minutei think that the best way forward is to make a reform-power-daemon-ppd (or -dbus) interface that is compatible with power-profiles-daemon and tuned-ppd13:50
minutewith the goal of being able to manually override the profile on AC (for example, i might want powersave for faster charging and/or less heat, or i might temporarily want "performance")13:51
gordon1minute: somewhere in march i tried to make a kexec bootloader and it appears that kexec just plainly don't work with rk3588 because GIC after initalization pokes holes into memory space with its own stuff and kexeced kernel is unable to handle its init because of that14:13
minuteah damn14:25
minuteok i think we could actually extend tuned/tuned-ppd14:28
gordon1maybe it requires some changes in dt to declare reserved memory or something, i didn't spend to much time on it14:46
minutehere's a screencast of integration of 3 custom profiles for tuned/tuned-ppd cc josch, ch https://mastodon.social/@mntmn/11571257887577746914:51
chnice14:54
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joschwow, and gnome has even clicky buttons for this? so nice!14:58
joschminute: but this does not yet replace the polling of charging/battery state in reform-power-daemon, right?14:59
minutejosch: yes, there is a "standard" power-profiles-daemon interface over dbus15:00
minutehttps://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-tools/-/merge_requests/15215:00
minutejosch: depending on tuned/ppd settings, the profiles are auto applied depending on battery/AC mode15:01
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joschminute: the reform_* profiles look rk3588 specific, should rk3588 be part of the name because of that?15:37
minutejosch: unclear yet. i don't know what happens if a setting can't be applied. if it gracefully fails, we can just include all settings for all cpus/gpus (if necessary)15:39
joschright15:41
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grimmwarethat's going to make it harder to debug unless it's very well annotated because it's liable to grow over time16:56
grimmwareit's probably worth internally casing on platform and only running what needs to be run on each one16:57
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minutegrimmware: it is useful for all our (even other) rk3588 platforms, not only pocket19:06
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grimmwareI was talking more about other SoMs21:38
minutegrimmware: yeah so far i don't really plan changing anything about other soms' power management. we'll see what the future brings21:54
minutei guess soon it's time to attack the rk3588 suspend/hibernate and the display-wakeup-flicker issue again21:56
minute+ i hope that soon there'll be a breakthrough about dsi with rk3588 in barebox21:56
minuteaaand we need to add the more detailled configuration pokes for the battery monitor21:57
minuteaaaaaaand i need to figure out why alpha doesn't work for cursor overlay on dsi (it works on hdmi)21:58
minutethen i'd consider rk3588 pocket reform to be pretty stable21:58
grimmwareBarebox is very exciting22:07
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bremnerwelp. I'm on a long road trip, and I had to pass the pocket to my wife to bring me. Hopefully airport security doesn't make her too mad at me.22:39
joschthe pocket is tame. Try to pass security with a machine with a transparent acrylic bottom which allows one to see (OMG!!) actual circuit boards are in there (no way!)22:42
kfxI've flown with the reform classic twice in the past month, and didn't have any problems22:42
minutekfx: nice22:42
kfxsecurity is far more focused on dangerous items like water bottles and nail clippers22:43
minutebremner: what i did last times was just to open it and purposefully show it to the inspection person22:43
joschi've flown once with the classic reform and i was pulled out for it22:43
kfxon the other hand, I racked a new server in a colo facility and got out the reform to access iDRAC and it was like a nerd shark attack22:43
joschbut it was positive feedback: aparently the security person wanted to know details about what this is, what processor was inside, what operating system, how much ram... :D22:44
minutekfx: haha so nice22:44
minutehttps://mntre.com/products-shop/1920-1080-network.png :D22:45
vagrantcthe irony of being able to see what is inside being the problem, as opposed to the black boxes that are harder to inspect (and with literally more explosive batteries)22:46
joschvagrantc: if you put on products details of what is actually inside or how it was made or how the place looks like where it was made, people would also not buy them much -- many rather prefer staying ignorant and are irritated when they get to see the details22:48
vagrantcACTION assembles the choir :)22:48
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