| minute | grimmware: ah, is it a 3-way connection, i.e. the rx and tx are connected from your rp2040 device to the keyboard _and_ the sysctl uart ports? | 00:00 |
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| grimmware | Just sending the string. I’m not sure why it’s not working with my code hence why I was asking if USB actually encapsulated in some way rather than just using D+ and D- as tx and rx | 00:00 |
| grimmware | No I unplugged the keyboard to do it | 00:01 |
| minute | grimmware: hmm ok. maybe you're using the wrong port? it's not using D+ and D- | 00:01 |
| minute | grimmware: the keyboard has two cables going to the mainboard | 00:01 |
| minute | grimmware: one is uart and 3v3, the other is usb and 5v | 00:01 |
| grimmware | This is the one going in near where it says sysctl | 00:01 |
| minute | grimmware: the correct one is in the top left corner of the motherboard | 00:02 |
| minute | grimmware: left to the 6 "prongs" for soc uarts | 00:02 |
| grimmware | Yeah that’s the one | 00:03 |
| minute | grimmware: i wonder why you mention usb then | 00:03 |
| minute | grimmware: it should be GND RX TX 3v3 | 00:03 |
| grimmware | Because it’s labelled usb/uart in the handbook | 00:04 |
| minute | grimmware: ok that sounds like a mistake. let me check | 00:04 |
| minute | grimmware: you mean this graphic probably? https://mntre.com/documentation/pocket-reform-handbook/_images/hardware-pocket-diagram-halves.png | 00:05 |
| grimmware | No in the schematic (sorry I’d be more useful but I’m on my phone and pinned down by a sleeping dog) | 00:05 |
| minute | grimmware: because here there are separate callouts for "UART to keyboard" and "USB to keyboard" https://mntre.com/documentation/pocket-reform-handbook/_images/hardware-pocket-reform-render-motherboard-callouts.png | 00:05 |
| minute | grimmware: ah the headline in the schematic says > Internal USB/UART (Keyboard/TB Interface) | 00:07 |
| grimmware | Yeah, just found it again and I ca see my misunderstanding :) | 00:07 |
| minute | grimmware: right, i see how that could be misinterpreted, thanks. J5 and J6 are separate below it, but there's only one headline. | 00:07 |
| ^alex | is there a mr. understanding? | 00:07 |
| minute | ^alex: chuckles | 00:08 |
| minute | grimmware: if you connect your external RX to TX and TX to RX, and GND to GND, and do 115200 baud and send a newline after the command, and probably send the command twice (might be in a weird state before), it should totally work. | 00:09 |
| grimmware | Okay cool, that means either my code or my wiring is jacked up then! Also the D+ and the D- are reinforced by the green and white cables for tx and rx ! | 00:09 |
| minute | grimmware: i have a panel pcb with power button for desktop reform (soon to reveal a new name!) that has an attiny in it and when you press the power button for 2 seconds it sends 1p / 0p depending on the power state. for example. the whole point of the uart interface was to make it as easily hackable as possible :D | 00:10 |
| grimmware | That’s effectively the sort of thing I was trying to emulate, but I figured a general purpose uart sniffer and injector would be a good first step anyway :) I quite like the idea of also hooking it up to the power rails to the keyboard to hard reset it. | 00:13 |
| grimmware | Anyway I’d better drop or I won’t sleep, thanks for helping me out! | 00:14 |
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| jfred | I've had a lot of issues with the pocket reform's keyboard as well (especially lately)... someone on the forum mentioned that the position of the lid made a difference for them and indeed it seems to for me as well | 04:19 |
| jfred | and e.g. I'd noticed that the keyboard connector seemed to have been pulled out slightly a while back/it clicked slightly when I pushed it back in | 04:19 |
| jfred | my gut's telling me something's getting pulled or pinched somehow, maybe tomorrow I'll pull off the keyboard cover and look inside while I'm moving the lid | 04:20 |
| jfred | it does feel to me like at one particular lid position the keyboard tends to reset/fail to connect more often, and I'm usually able to fix that by opening the lid to a slightly wider position | 04:22 |
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| [tj] | jfred: hmm I bet that tracks for me. I get the most issues if I move the pocket and it is closed. | 14:12 |
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| minute | jfred: makes sense | 15:17 |
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| MartiniMoe | Hi, does anyone know, if pocket reforms from mnt are being shipped currently? I ordered in September and have not heard anything until now. The support also does not respond to my ticket and I am getting worried something might be wrong with my order :/ | 17:09 |
| mhoye | If I replace the motherboard in my 1stgen Reform (plus the sideplates) but not the SOC board, do we foresee that working? | 17:20 |
| josch | MartiniMoe: did you order after 2025-09-10? | 17:57 |
| josch | mhoye: replace with motherboard 3.0? | 17:57 |
| MartiniMoe | josch: yes, on 20th september | 17:57 |
| josch | MartiniMoe: according to the table here https://mntre.com/faq.html that is waiting for the keyboard and motherboard update | 17:58 |
| josch | MartiniMoe: both keyboard and motherboard are receiving a big overhaul right now | 17:58 |
| MartiniMoe | The FAQ table sais 4-5 month, which passed by now, so I was confused | 17:58 |
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| mhoye | josch: Yeah. | 18:27 |
| mhoye | hoping for that sweet, sweet USB-C power. | 18:27 |
| mhoye | Also I haven't been able to make HDMI out work on this thing so that too. | 18:28 |
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| josch | mhoye: you had imx8mq? I can confirm that imx8mq works fine with motherboard 3.0 | 19:07 |
| josch | MartiniMoe: the table is probbaly out-of-date as I think minute is still working on both motherboard and keyboard -- you can see minute's recent changes to the design files for motherboard 1.5 and keyboard 1.1 here: https://source.mnt.re/reform/pocket-reform/activity | 19:09 |
| MartiniMoe | josch: oh okay thanks. So I will wait a bit longer... :D | 19:10 |
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| josch | MartiniMoe: i'd expect the next monthly newsletter to have an update on the current situation | 19:12 |
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| minute | MartiniMoe: support does not respond? what's your ticket number? | 23:57 |
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