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| minute | btw i tried our latest barebox builds on pocket, and played a bit with the efi loader. was able to see and interact with the grub menu from fedora | 00:36 |
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| rick_ | urhg systemd now moves onto the aislop shit... >.> https://www.phoronix.com/news/systemd-260-rc3 | 19:46 |
| rick_ | so soon linux gets as bad as winbarf?... | 19:46 |
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| josch | wow, and i just read this yesterday: https://chaos.social/@uint8_t/116212144046585652 | 20:03 |
| rick_ | oof | 20:23 |
| sigrid | there's always openrc if you need it :P | 20:39 |
| rick_ | yeah but this shit gets harder and harder to avoid.. and i don't like that.. | 20:43 |
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| kop316 | minute: I seem to recall you asking how to build debian images on arm64 a while ago. If you weren't aware (if you are, sorry for the spam!), but debos works for arm64 now. I just built a mobian image on my pocket reform | 20:52 |
| sigrid | rick_: yeah, and unfortunately netbsd (which bans LLM use) does not run on reform (yet?) | 21:12 |
| josch | kop316: debos worked on arm64 for a long while already, no? The problem are architectures other than amd64 and arm64 because of fakemachine. | 21:12 |
| josch | (which is used to avoid requiring superuser privileges by wrapping everything in qemu) | 21:13 |
| kop316 | josch: to be honest, I am not sure. I just seem to recall that conversation a while ago, and I was only trying to build mobian now (my phone won't boot) | 21:13 |
| josch | kop316: "building arm64 image" is how i got into the MNT world in the first place five years ago :) | 21:14 |
| kop316 | josch: fair enough! You are probably more knowledgeable than me, it was a "just in case" | 21:15 |
| josch | reform-system-image is doing that since 2021 using mmdebstrap (bit-by-bit reproducible and without superuser privilges) | 21:15 |
| josch | kop316: no worries :) | 21:15 |
| kop316 | nice! | 21:16 |
| kop316 | I must be mis-remembering the conversation then | 21:16 |
| kop316 | ohhh sorry, what I meant is it works for arm64, but also _on_ arm64 | 21:16 |
| kop316 | what i remember is debos can build arm64 images, but it would only run on x86 machine | 21:16 |
| kop316 | josch: just to make sure we aren't having terms mixed up | 21:17 |
| josch | yeah, architecture restriction has been a problem for debos since day 1 | 21:17 |
| josch | we have 19 arches that debian builds on and debos works on 2 of them | 21:18 |
| josch | and with these words i'm back fixing hurd-i386 -- ttyl :) | 21:18 |
| kop316 | enjoy! | 21:18 |
| josch | (and yes, i'm *very* interested in also running bsd on my reform one day) | 21:20 |
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| johl | NetBSD has a special place in my heart. I used to run it on a vintage DECStation and liked it a lot | 22:33 |
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| + siviq (~siviq@user/siviq) | 23:11 | |
| siviq | I just migrated off Windows to Debian because of the unwanted AI and bloatware MS deployed there. Now reading your comments above, it looks like this will be short lived escape. | 23:26 |
| Svp | oh, to have netbsd as a first class citizen on all reform SoMs... what a dream | 23:28 |
| josch | siviq: the linux kernel has included LLM generated code for a long time | 23:28 |
| siviq | josch I see. But still there is no bloatware and unwanted AI presence (copilot, etc). At least for now :D | 23:30 |
| kfx | https://gist.github.com/bretonium/291f4388e2de89a43b25c135b44e41f0 things are going great in the ai world | 23:34 |
| Svp | well netbsd or hurd but netbsd is the least unrealistic option | 23:35 |
| lidstah | OpenBSD also runs on reform, although I don't know their stance about AI | 23:35 |
| lidstah | (however, I do have two friends who works alot for openbsd (jca@ who is a ports maintainer and Gilles who works on OpenSMTPd) and knowing their stance about "AI"… I'm not sure they'll still be working on the various OpenBSD projects if it was vibecoded)) | 23:38 |
| Svp | i ought to try that again but i remember having trouble last time i tried. do i still need the boot commands to start it or does it work automagically | 23:38 |
| Svp | (i still use the i.mx8mq so im fine on that front) | 23:39 |
| lidstah | eh, I have a classic reform incoming soon here | 23:39 |
| lidstah | litteraly first week-end, I'll be at @jca's home to try openbsd on it :) | 23:40 |
| Svp | keep me posted! :) | 23:40 |
| lidstah | I'm a Debian user, mind me, but I do love OpenBSD (running it on my old x201), so, NVMe will be debian stable/daily driver, emmc, debian unstable, but I'll keep various SD cards (openbsd, 9front, and a "backup debian" one) | 23:42 |
| lidstah | Svp: so yes, of course, I'll keep you posted on the state of OpenBSD on the reform | 23:43 |
| kfx | I have not been able to get openbsd booted on rk3588, but I would be delighted were that to change | 23:44 |
| lidstah | As the friend I'm talking about have a Pioneer 64 core risc-v machine, we'll probably do some week-end funky machines swaps :D | 23:44 |
| siviq | lidstah out of curiosity, are you running Debian stable on Classic reform with RK3588? I'm expecting one soon and plan to get Debian stable on the NVMe | 23:45 |
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| lidstah | siviq: I'm also expecting one soon :D | 23:46 |
| lidstah | but indeed, like you I intend to use trixie on the nvme | 23:46 |
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| siviq | lidstah Yay, cool. Been using Trixie now for couple months, it's super stable (Intel hw). Not that I am messing around too much, but it works very well following the initial setup. | 23:49 |
| Svp | front would also be an okay enough alternative but the xmpp clients situation is a bit of a turnoff. oh and the fact the entire system is statically linked? though i mightve misunderstood that one, still less than ideal. netbsd with rump kernels looks incredibly interesting to me | 23:49 |
| Svp | (plus the fact netbsd has absolutely outstanding hardware support, so no machine will ever go stale, even the humble X68000 got back to tier 2) | 23:51 |
| lidstah | Svp: "of course it runs NetBSD" :) | 23:52 |
| Svp | ok to be fair the x68000 port does require some less than standard hardware (at least a 68020 and scsi) but still! | 23:53 |
| lidstah | siviq: same here, Trixie been great, either on desktop, laptops and servers. Although half the stack at work is still running bookworm, no major problem upgrading to trixie for now. We went "slice by slice", the last slice being the baremetal databases crunchers in the far-far-away VLAN :') | 23:54 |
| Svp | (half of the lineup uses sasi, which is not supported, and only two models didnt have a 68000, and accelerator local ram isnt common) | 23:54 |
| lidstah | Svp: yeah, being able to run a modern operating system on 30 years old hardware still amaze me. I recall running NetBSD on an Amiga 1200 in the early 2000's | 23:56 |
| Svp | and it i were to voice my opinion on current accelerator solutions i'd be bordering on off topic, so i'll leave that be | 23:56 |
| Svp | bordering because its very close to the Amiga | 23:56 |
| lidstah | mmh, correct me if I'm wrong, but, the X68000, that was a MSX computer or a FM Towns variant, or was it a specific computer? | 23:58 |
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