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| schalken | excited for openbsd on the pocket! thanks to everyone who has worked on it! :) | 00:57 |
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| ch | f and j are -weird- but feel very nice | 15:10 |
| josch | ch: ??? context? :D | 15:12 |
| ch | ah sorry | 15:12 |
| ch | keyboard 4.0 | 15:12 |
| ch | just unboxed ;) | 15:12 |
| josch | uh congrats! | 15:14 |
| antti | nice ch, which layout are you using? also which cherry did you bought? clicky? | 15:23 |
| ch | kalih choc brown tactile | 15:24 |
| antti | cool those are quiet too | 15:24 |
| antti | folks do you know if there any 3d print model for a keyboard stand ? | 15:26 |
| antti | https://i.etsystatic.com/38141713/r/il/86f31e/7256550846/il_794xN.7256550846_m22w.jpg | 15:26 |
| antti | the keyboard 4.0 doesn't have the bar that the older models had. and that bar isn't in the mnt store either :( | 15:28 |
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| jogu | antti: I've been working on one but haven't tested it yet since my 3d printer hasn't arrived yet | 16:30 |
| antti | hey jogu thanks for the reply. that is great news. are you going to post it in the forum or here in this chat? | 16:32 |
| antti | I didn't start with 3d printers yet I was really hesitant about the materials and costs and now with all the bambu new bs I don't know if I want to get into it but I think I need to start playing with 3d design though. which software are you using? I don't want to go to off topic here :( | 16:33 |
| jogu | I can make a post on the forum once I test it but might be a while since the printer is on back order haha | 16:34 |
| antti | yeah no problem. I have the 4.0 keyboard for a few months I can wait . can you tag me in this channel when you have it please? | 16:35 |
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| jogu | Yeah, I've been eyeing 3d printers for years but never found one that really checked all the boxes for me until the Core One L came out | 16:36 |
| jogu | Sure! let me put a memo down somewhere so I don't forget | 16:36 |
| antti | perfect jogu .I'm using a tiny metal boxes under the keyboard in order to rise it up a little bit - a proper stand will be a gamer changer. | 16:38 |
| jogu | It really is! I had a first prototype I made a few months back but it only used one screw and wasn't very reliable and I think might have weakened one of the screws on my housing a little | 16:41 |
| antti | hehe | 16:42 |
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| minute | ch: noice! | 17:52 |
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| lidstah | reading the backlog, nice work minute, josch and bob234 with openbsd :D | 18:26 |
| lidstah | "fun" fact: having a fan blowing air on the mnt reform's screen reduce the glitches amount downstairs here (temp: 29°C, upstairs, temp in my office is 36°C so, whatever the fan's there blowing it's still hot air). so it really does seem temp related | 18:29 |
| minute | lidstah: interesting, i need to reproduce this soon and see if it can be mitigated somehow | 18:29 |
| lidstah | and no glitches at engineering school #1 with working climatisers (not sure if it is the right word in english) and room temp 22°C | 18:30 |
| josch | lidstah: nono i did nothing with openbsd :D | 18:30 |
| lidstah | :) | 18:31 |
| josch | but i really enjoy seeing that it's booting -- more OS diversity is great! | 18:31 |
| josch | so if somebody sends me reform-tools patches for openbsd... ;) | 18:31 |
| lidstah | hehe - will try to spend some time with jca@openbsd.org during the holidays, rn he's the french central mountains at Miod Vallat's house, probably poking around with old sun servers and PPC machines from the previous century xD | 18:34 |
| lidstah | lucky guy :') | 18:34 |
| vkoskiv | Is there a known fix for libboost failing to upgrade? | 18:35 |
| vkoskiv | dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/libboost1.90-dev_1.90.0-6_arm64.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite '/usr/include/boost/accumulators/accumulators.hpp', which is also in package libboost1.74-dev:arm64 (1.74.0+ds1-23+b1) | 18:35 |
| vkoskiv | apt tells me to do --fix-broken, but that just yields the same error again. | 18:35 |
| josch | vkoskiv: remove libboost1.74-dev | 18:36 |
| vkoskiv | Tried that now, it wants me to run 'apt --fix-broken install' first | 18:37 |
| josch | vkoskiv: then you use "dpkg -r" instead to avoid apt | 18:37 |
| josch | vkoskiv: the problem is, that libboost1.74-dev is so old, it's from Debian oldstable | 18:37 |
| josch | and you are *not* supposed to upgrade from stable to stable+2 but only from one stable to the next | 18:37 |
| josch | so it is not supported to mix packages from release X and release X+2 | 18:38 |
| josch | if you are using Debian unstable then it's the user's job to clean this kind of stuff up manually | 18:38 |
| vkoskiv | Ah, yeah, my installation is in a weird state because I've been treating it basically like an Arch rolling release kinda thing | 18:38 |
| josch | you can do that but you will not have any of the usual guarantees | 18:39 |
| vkoskiv | Fair enough. dpkg -r yields the same dependency problems as apt. Mostly libboost-*1.74 depending on libboost1.74-dev | 18:39 |
| vkoskiv | I'll remove those as well then | 18:39 |
| ch | i guess helmut might be interested in that conflict and to file a bug | 18:39 |
| josch | ch: it's from oldstable though | 18:39 |
| ch | yeah but i think he files bugs for these cross-release conflicts | 18:39 |
| josch | and a conflict does not help existing users | 18:39 |
| ch | at least it will fail before installing? | 18:40 |
| josch | right i mean it doesn't help vkoskiv now because the package is already about to be unpacked :) | 18:40 |
| vkoskiv | Oh, it won't take a wildcard for those packages. | 18:40 |
| vkoskiv | I'll do a bit of expansion | 18:40 |
| josch | vkoskiv: which package on your system still requires libboost-*1.74?? | 18:41 |
| ch | yeah thats true | 18:41 |
| vkoskiv | I've no idea | 18:41 |
| josch | vkoskiv: dpkg will tell you when you try to dpkg -r it | 18:41 |
| vkoskiv | About a dozen or so packages all named libboost-*thing*1.74-dev | 18:42 |
| josch | vkoskiv: nuke them | 18:42 |
| vkoskiv | So like libboost-thread1.l74-dev, for example. | 18:42 |
| josch | vkoskiv: dpkg -r them all | 18:42 |
| lidstah | minute: just thought about this, but when I'll get the replacment screen, would you want me to send you back my glitchy screen so you can have a look at it? | 18:43 |
| lidstah | I might add one or two french culinary specialties in the package, too :) | 18:45 |
| vkoskiv | Looks happy, running the fix-broken thing from apt now. | 18:46 |
| vkoskiv | I've been spending a lot of time at home on my desktop, but I have a job interview tomorrow and they told me to bring a laptop with my preferred text editor and a C compiler :] | 18:47 |
| vkoskiv | Still boots to v6.17 kernel, even though it installed 7.0.7 earlier and now 7.0.9. My brain has erased the incantations for specifying which kernel to boot with u-boot | 19:11 |
| vkoskiv | Ah, it was booting off the SD-card I had plugged in. But the new kernels were on eMMC. Running 7.0.9 now! | 19:18 |
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| Ar|stote|is | I have set up my reform to boot from sd to an encrypted nvme drive. if i remove both drive and the sd card it doesn;t boot at all. I want to put anew nvme in the drive and boot from the emmc to try and read from it. but then i want to change back to how it is right now, boot from sd the encrypted nvme i already have | 19:50 |
| Ar|stote|is | how can i do it without messing my already working system? | 19:50 |
| + mark_ (~mjw@gnu.wildebeest.org) | 20:19 | |
| Ar|stote|is | hey josch sorry for the ping, do you have any ideas? | 20:59 |
| minute | is a311d uboot still borked on the current system images? (cc josch) | 21:05 |
| Ar|stote|is | i tried setting up emmc as boot device and also the rootfs but this resulted in no system booting at all. when i inserted the sd it booted normally | 21:07 |
| Ar|stote|is | hey Lucie did reform nexts ship? i want to check it out | 21:08 |
| Ar|stote|is | nvm I checked the news post on the site | 21:10 |
| minute | yep, just confirmed, a311d system image's uboot is broken josch | 21:10 |
| Ar|stote|is | is there a utility to set up a bare system on emmc and set the bootloader there to boot it up? i want to use my reform to browse a nvme i have in order to back it up but right now my reform is configured to boot from sd to an encrypted nvme. | 21:11 |
| minute | josch: image from this pipeline https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-system-image/-/jobs/20276 | 21:14 |
| minute | Ar|stote|is: just flash another sd card or usb stick with the stock image from https://mnt.re/system-image and boot that? | 21:15 |
| minute | josch: i fixed the system image locally by downloading https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-a311d-uboot/-/jobs/19495/artifacts/raw/meson-g12b-bananapi-cm4-mnt-pocket-reform-flash.bin and flashing it on top of the sd card with "sudo dd if=meson-g12b-bananapi-cm4-mnt-pocket-reform-flash.bin of=/dev/sdb conv=fsync,notrunc bs=512 skip=1 seek=1" | 21:20 |
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| josch | minute: that is correct, we need another reform-tools release for fixed a311d | 21:54 |
| minute | josch: what's the fix? going back to the older uboot without gxlimg? | 21:57 |
| minute | josch: and, do you need anything from me or is this on your todo list? | 21:57 |
| minute | ACTION is currently trying radxa cm5 with rcm4 | 21:59 |
| josch | minute: the issue is https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-a311d-uboot/-/work_items/1 | 22:00 |
| josch | minute: the issue was fixed upstream in https://github.com/repk/gxlimg/commit/f157d7b147c47b6d2172f278e2c62d59136c7ffd | 22:00 |
| josch | we build with a version of gxlimg with the bug fixed here: https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-a311d-uboot/-/commit/aa79248301bb577f05989c26cfb7c32655a0c796 | 22:01 |
| josch | it is tagged as 2026-04-09 | 22:01 |
| josch | reform-tools bumps to that version of u-boot for a311d since April 9 in git | 22:02 |
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| josch | minute: i asked whether we should do a new release with the fix or not the same day but you wanted to test sysctl apiv3 more before doing a new release | 22:06 |
| minute | josch: damn | 22:16 |
| minute | josch: sorry, my mistake then. i think it's fine to release; apiv3 is already obsolete basically, but apiv4 isn't done yet | 22:17 |
| minute | btw radxa cm5 almost boots with our normal rk3588 image... just hangs probably because the rk3588s2 is missing some things that the kernel wants to poke at | 22:18 |
| + stephano (~stephano@71.238.14.13) | 22:35 | |
| stephano | minute: The flickering wasn't the hardware, it was an issue with the latest upstream Mesa. I was able to stop the flickering with PAN_MESA_DEBUG=noafbc sway. | 22:36 |
| stephano | josch: you may remember this one: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1099032 | 22:37 |
| minute | stephano: woah what | 22:38 |
| stephano | I do not think Debian will ever see this issue because of the revert of e0f48568c7f2a638213dee317fde03c23775556f in mesa. Any distro using upstream mesa (aka Arch) will see the issue get much worse with mesa 26.1.1. | 22:39 |
| stephano | on the a311d | 22:39 |
| minute | meanwhile: DTC arch/arm64/boot/dts/rockchip/rk3588s-mnt-pocket-reform.dtb | 22:39 |
| stephano | minute: The Mali-G52 GPU in the advertises compressed AFBC framebuffer formats to the compositor, but the display controller can't actually display them directly, so the GPU has to silently decompress every frame before it hits the screen generating constant buffer allocation churn that the kernel's memory reclaimer struggles to keep up with. Mesa 26.1.1 made this worse by advertising even more AFBC variants and fixing an unrelated | 22:42 |
| stephano | reference-counting bug that now correctly frees those buffers, pushing the system past the point where the flickering becomes visible. | 22:42 |
| stephano | That's also why I saw the flickering under heavy load, but not if I was just running foot. | 22:45 |
| minute | uff | 22:45 |
| stephano | It was fun to debug. I didn't know much about mesa a couple days ago. :-D | 22:45 |
| josch | minute: rk3588s? | 22:48 |
| minute | josch: yeah, testing radxa cm5 before committing to rcm5... i also ordered an rpi cm5 module | 22:48 |
| josch | oooh the cm5 stuff! | 22:49 |
| josch | minute: about a release of reform-tools: i'd appreciate a round of tests before doing the new release because the reform-tools release will build ukis via a kernel hook | 22:51 |
| josch | hrm... | 22:52 |
| josch | minute: i built you a system image recently -- did you manage to try it? | 22:53 |
| minute | was able to boot into debian system image on radxa cm5... just no display yet | 22:59 |
| minute | josch: ah uff @ ukis... and without ukis we can't boot anymore? | 23:00 |
| minute | josch: no, i'm sorry, i was busy with getting barebox release-ready. but i could try booting your image via barebox | 23:00 |
| josch | minute: i added /boot/EFI/BOOT/BOOTAA64.EFI because you wanted this for quasar but we can revert that for this release and queue it for the next | 23:05 |
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| minute | ok, got HDMI working on rcm4+radxa cm5. this thing is very snappy | 23:22 |
| minute | josch: yeah, it just sounded worrying that it was unclear how the dtb was picked | 23:22 |
| josch | it is still unclear :D | 23:24 |
| josch | it worked for me on my rk3588-dsi classic reform | 23:24 |
| josch | but for some reason the display only showed content very late in the boot process | 23:24 |
| + paperManu (~paperManu@104.163.176.82) | 23:24 | |
| minute | shots of radxa cm5 pocket reform test https://mastodon.social/@mntmn/116648646657509783 | 23:26 |
| minute | josch: would it be a big pain to turn off this feature for this release and turn it on for the next one? i'd like to have the images for the popular modules on the website in working state again (a311d that is) | 23:27 |
| josch | minute: no, we can just turn it off for now | 23:28 |
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| josch | minute: i could also make it such that it becomes easy for you to turn it on, for example hiding it behind an environment variable that has to be set or something | 23:28 |
| Svp | do all usb ports work with the radxa module? some vendors cut a few corners here and there like the second usb bus... :v | 23:29 |
| minute | josch: that sounds great! | 23:29 |
| minute | Svp: there's a whole 'nother b2b connector that i don't have a socket for yet! | 23:30 |
| minute | Svp: it's basically a pre-test before i do rcm5 | 23:30 |
| Svp | rpi and bpi modules both have them working properly, for the record, but mars cm and cb1 don't | 23:31 |
| Svp | pretty thrilling stuff still, i just wish the pinouts were more standard (orange pi cm5 doesnt even have a ethernet phy...) | 23:32 |
| Svp | radxa is also exciting because there is an edk2 port for most of their rockchip lineup, including the board my homeserver runs on! | 23:33 |
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