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| minute | ch: oh, sure | 02:01 |
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| minute | ch: assigned! | 02:09 |
| ch | thx, both succeeded now | 02:17 |
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| minute | ch: many thanks for the MRs, appreciated | 02:27 |
| minute | ch: does that make it work on arm mac? | 02:27 |
| ch | so far it looks better, but you know how it is with such issues | 02:28 |
| ch | i think the mac also keys the permission prompt off the device serial number, at least it gave me a new prompt with the 'new' serial number | 02:30 |
| minute | interesting | 02:34 |
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| josch | minute: when you find the time, this is the next MR to review: https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-system-image/-/merge_requests/152 It contains the necessary bits to build system images with reform-tools 1.87 which supports the QUASAR platforms | 11:26 |
| * Guest8567 -> mjw | 12:29 | |
| + paperManu (~paperManu@204.244.197.237) | 12:40 | |
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| + reform12287 (~franzo@2a01:5241:cfa:9500:9322:b0a9:440a:b453) | 14:26 | |
| reform12287 | hi | 14:27 |
| josch | _o/ | 14:27 |
| reform12287 | I just received my pocket reform :) | 14:27 |
| ch | nice | 14:28 |
| josch | reform12287: yay congrats! | 14:28 |
| reform12287 | I've learned suspend is not working yet: is there any update? | 14:28 |
| josch | unfortunately not :( | 14:30 |
| josch | minute would know the latest details | 14:30 |
| reform12287 | I think I've read on the forum that at least they got a successful attempt? | 14:31 |
| josch | reform12287: do you have a link to the post you are referring to? | 14:31 |
| reform12287 | the latest message to the forum thread was yhours actually.. | 14:32 |
| josch | which thread? | 14:32 |
| reform12287 | I need to find it | 14:33 |
| reform12287 | https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://community.mnt.re/t/does-the-pocket-reform-have-a-sleep-mode/3783&ved=2ahUKEwiE0JzlwN6UAxUvSPEDHe5IB_cQFnoECA4QAQ&usg=AOvVaw3zne4WvccaAFpONPimAIfL | 14:33 |
| reform12287 | ahhhhh google trackers | 14:34 |
| reform12287 | https://community.mnt.re | 14:34 |
| reform12287 | nevermind. I can't use this irc client. Is this room also bridged to matrix? | 14:35 |
| josch | reform12287: yes, the irc client is *extremely* rudimentary -- but there are a bunch of gui alternatives | 14:36 |
| reform12287 | https://community.mnt.re/t/does-the-pocket-reform-have-a-sleep-mode/3783 | 14:37 |
| reform12287 | seems like I did it right now | 14:37 |
| reform12287 | yeah I know about irc but I only use matrix nowadays | 14:37 |
| reform12287 | I have my account also bridged to oftc there | 14:38 |
| josch | reform12287: ah yes the mono-kernel thing | 14:40 |
| josch | reform12287: yes, somebody has to feel motivated enough to find out which difference between the mono kernel and the modular kernel makes resume fail | 14:40 |
| reform12287 | I see | 14:40 |
| + paperManu (~paperManu@modemcable141.205-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) | 14:40 | |
| josch | i'm afraid i have my hands full with the development of reform-tools, reform-debian-packages, reform-system-image etc... maybe one day i'll manage to have time but if you beat me to it then please go ahead! | 14:42 |
| reform12287 | I have no idea about kernels sorry! | 14:43 |
| reform12287 | but thanks for your efforts | 14:43 |
| reform12287 | I have to go. Byebye :) | 14:46 |
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| + bkeys (~bkeys@98.19.131.29) | 14:59 | |
| jfred | oh I missed that there had been successful suspend/resume with a monolithic kernel | 15:03 |
| jfred | that is actually something I could poke at... would definitely be easier once I get the new mobo with external debugging support though haha | 15:06 |
| jfred | not that I've done any kernel dev at all but I can troubleshoot things at least ^^; | 15:08 |
| jfred | I'm curious if the monolithic kernel from that test had all the same config options compiled in as the modular one had built as modules | 15:09 |
| + mark_ (~mjw@2001:1c06:2486:4600:6fcb:4b0e:fedd:fb4d) | 15:28 | |
| minute | lidstah: i found a solution for the display flicker issue | 16:02 |
| minute | lidstah: you probably have an IVO panel and we're driving it at 70Hz but it's a 60Hz panel | 16:02 |
| minute | lidstah: in sway, if i do swaymsg "output eDP-1 modeline 135 1920 1944 1992 2080 1080 1083 1095 1112 -hsync -vsync" the flicker goes away | 16:03 |
| minute | also seems to work > swaymsg "output eDP-1 modeline 135 1920 1960 2000 2080 1080 1084 1088 1112 +hsync +vsync" | 16:04 |
| + stephano (~stephano@71.238.14.13) | 16:07 | |
| stephano | josch: $ pacman -Q reform-tools --> reform-tools 1.87-3 | 16:09 |
| stephano | $ ls /usr/bin/reform-check* --> /usr/bin/reform-check /usr/bin/reform-check-arch | 16:09 |
| stephano | \o/ | 16:10 |
| josch | stephano: you have a script with an -arch suffix? Why the suffix? | 16:11 |
| stephano | oh, sorry, that was old and I forgot to delete it. :) | 16:11 |
| stephano | works great though. even surfaced a small issue with my nvme install regarding DRM access. | 16:16 |
| josch | stephano: very nice! | 16:17 |
| josch | stephano: reform-tools 1.87 also includes the new a311d u-boot in its machine.conf without the bug you found in the pocket reform build | 16:17 |
| stephano | josch: oh excellent! i'll do a fresh arch build today and test that out. it will be great to stop building u-boot from source. | 16:18 |
| josch | stephano: though maybe juuuuust to be sure, zero out u-boot on emmc and then first flash it to sd-card -- once that works you flash to emmc :) | 16:19 |
| stephano | lol | 16:19 |
| stephano | josch: sage advice | 16:20 |
| minute | modeline for almost exactly 60Hz on classic reform: swaymsg "output eDP-1 modeline 135 1920 1960 2000 2022 1080 1084 1088 1112 +hsync +vsync" (only tested with IVO display) | 16:20 |
| minute | but hmm now the display blanks for a few frames now and then... almost like back when we had the AFBC issue | 16:20 |
| stephano | minute: if you run sway with `PAN_MESA_DEBUG=noafbc sway` does the blanking screen go away? | 16:31 |
| minute | stephano: ahh thanks for the reminder about that option, will try that now | 16:32 |
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| + reform31075 (~franzo@2a01:5241:cfa:9500:9322:b0a9:440a:b453) | 16:46 | |
| reform31075 | hi it's me again. Brightness adjustment stopped working once I ran sudo apt upgrade. I blame the new kernel.. any idea? | 16:47 |
| - mark_ (QUIT: Ping timeout: 245 seconds) (~mjw@2001:1c06:2486:4600:6fcb:4b0e:fedd:fb4d) | 16:48 | |
| reform31075 | I am on sway rn | 16:49 |
| minute | stephano: nope, unrelated | 16:50 |
| minute | reform31075: pocket or reform, r3588? | 16:51 |
| minute | rk | 16:51 |
| minute | reform31075: dsi, hdmi? | 16:51 |
| minute | reform31075: sway, gnome? | 16:51 |
| amospalla | minute: I've seen very minimal flicker in my pocket, is that `swaymsg eDP-1 modeline` somewhat safe to try on any pocket? | 16:51 |
| stephano | minute: ah well, worth a try. a lot changed recently in mesa post 26.0.5. | 16:52 |
| reform31075 | minute, rk3588 with sway | 16:54 |
| reform31075 | the pocket reform | 16:54 |
| minute | amospalla: no, completely unrelated to pocket. pocket doesn't even use eDP | 16:55 |
| reform31075 | running only on internal screen | 16:55 |
| minute | amospalla: what you mean is probably backlight flicker | 16:55 |
| minute | reform31075: ok try sudo lsmod | grep reform | 16:55 |
| minute | reform31075: any output or no output? | 16:55 |
| minute | reform31075: if no output, try sudo apt install reform2-lpc-dkms and reboot | 16:56 |
| minute | stephano: it is mesa 26.0.5 in any case | 16:56 |
| stephano | minute: oh, well then it should be well behaved. :) | 16:57 |
| minute | hmm but the kernel is still 6.19.13, worth to test an update | 16:57 |
| reform31075 | I will try soon | 16:59 |
| reform31075 | I got output | 17:00 |
| reform31075 | sudo lsmod | grep reform | 17:00 |
| reform31075 | [sudo] password for franzo: | 17:00 |
| reform31075 | reform2_lpc 20480 0 | 17:00 |
| josch | reform31075: that output is good, no need to apt install reform2-lpc-dkms | 17:08 |
| reform31075 | yeah.. so do you have any idea what is happening here? Minute maybe you can try to reproduce on your pocket? | 17:13 |
| + mark_ (~mjw@82-217-174-174.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl) | 17:18 | |
| minute | reform31075: can we see your dmesg? | 17:24 |
| reform31075 | yes | 17:25 |
| reform31075 | https://paste.debian.net/hidden/30f00904 | 17:29 |
| - mark_ (QUIT: Read error: Connection reset by peer) (~mjw@82-217-174-174.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl) | 17:38 | |
| reform31075 | I see [ 3.858553] reform2_lpc: module verification failed: signature and/or required key missing - tainting kernel | 17:38 |
| reform31075 | but not sure if that tells us anything | 17:39 |
| cararemixed | re brightness: I can confirm its broken for me on the pocket as well. | 17:40 |
| reform31075 | latest apt upgrade pulled 700+ packages so it's hard for me to find the culprit | 17:41 |
| cararemixed | I haven't had a chance to chase things down yet. The flicker issue is separate but related to the hardware module itself. | 17:41 |
| + mark_ (~mjw@gnu.wildebeest.org) | 17:41 | |
| cararemixed | I think it was recent as I do frequent updates so theres less to debug | 17:42 |
| cararemixed | So the last few days are the open gap for regression unless I just failed to notice it before. | 17:43 |
| minute | reform31075: cararemixed: sorry i'm in a meeting now, did you try with brightnessctl? | 18:03 |
| minute | lidstah: josch: potential fix for reform2 panel glitches https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-debian-packages/-/merge_requests/185 can you test? | 18:04 |
| reform31075 | brightnessctl | 18:06 |
| reform31075 | Device 'input1::numlock' of class 'leds': | 18:06 |
| reform31075 | it says current brightness 0 | 18:07 |
| minute | reform31075: ok so backlight control is gone | 18:07 |
| reform31075 | yep | 18:08 |
| minute | really weird | 18:09 |
| minute | the lpc driver should normally register a backlight | 18:09 |
| josch | minute: can i somehow reliably trigger the panel glitches with classic reform? I'm not sure which glitches those are -- things are fine here on both the old reform from 2021 as well as on the new one from 2025. | 18:15 |
| reform31075 | minute this is critical.. given we are stuck with a specific brightness value, we can't optimize power consumption :( | 18:33 |
| - mark_ (QUIT: Ping timeout: 272 seconds) (~mjw@gnu.wildebeest.org) | 18:38 | |
| cararemixed | minute just got to somewhere I can pull my laptop back out but I believe it was not working. | 18:54 |
| cararemixed | minute: ok, yes, brightnessctl doesn't show the device. | 18:59 |
| cararemixed | So we both see the issue | 18:59 |
| cararemixed | I can try the patch but do you have a preferred way to build with the existing patch stack? | 19:00 |
| lidstah | minute: oh great news for the fix | 19:02 |
| lidstah | just got back home, will try!! | 19:02 |
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| * jahkosha -> jah | 19:12 | |
| lidstah | josch: here, the glitches here appear when room temp is >25°C, and are really bad when room temp > 30°C. For e.g. today at engineering school #1, most rooms temp was 23°C, and no glitches. at home rn, temp is 27°C and I noticed some transient horizontal white lines | 19:15 |
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| + mark_ (~mjw@178.230.58.116) | 19:50 | |
| reform31075 | I will leave soon. minute I hope you got my dmesg | 20:28 |
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| + mark_ (~mjw@178.230.58.116) | 21:14 | |
| + Guest77 (~Guest77@217-168-41-213.cust.keyyo.net) | 21:17 | |
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| - mark_ (QUIT: Read error: Connection reset by peer) (~mjw@178.230.58.116) | 21:24 | |
| lidstah | minute: ready to test here, should I build the kernel, then apt install linux-image-X.Y.deb or should I use one (or more) of the debs present in the artifacts.zip produced by the pipeline? sorry, not really used to toying with kernels on the reform (and I don't want to make mistakes ^^') - good time to learn tho | 21:27 |
| + mark_ (~mjw@178.230.58.116) | 21:28 | |
| josch | lidstah: you can add the following apt repository to your config and then install from it: deb [trusted=yes arch=arm64] https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-debian-packages/-/jobs/21304/artifacts/raw/repo reform main | 21:35 |
| josch | lidstah: you find that repo description in the last job log of that pipeline: https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-debian-packages/-/jobs/21304 | 21:35 |
| lidstah | ooooh | 21:38 |
| lidstah | got it, thanks! | 21:38 |
| - mark_ (QUIT: Ping timeout: 252 seconds) (~mjw@178.230.58.116) | 21:40 | |
| lidstah | that's way more practical than what I'm used to when it comes to ARM machines. Installing and rebooting in 3...2...1... | 21:45 |
| lidstah | 0.5... :p | 21:46 |
| lidstah | Linux marfak 7.0.10-mnt-reform-arm64 #1 SMP PREEMPT Debian 7.0.10-1+reform20260529T160121Z (2026-05-2 aarch64 GNU/Linux << done | 21:49 |
| josch | yes, that looks right | 21:49 |
| josch | lidstah: you can see the time of the last git commit embedded in the version of your kernel | 21:49 |
| lidstah | yup | 21:49 |
| lidstah | noticed it was the same date I saw in the artifacts | 21:50 |
| lidstah | really easy indeed | 21:51 |
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| lidstah | now, time to launch stuff that produced artifacts here | 21:51 |
| lidstah | like, mmh, let's say, KOTOR2, perfect with this room temperature :') | 21:52 |
| lidstah | (way too hot for me) | 21:52 |
| josch | hrm... did anybody ever livestream on twitch or similar with their reform? | 21:53 |
| lidstah | minute: it looks like it's working, no glitches rn whereas I had glitches before rebooting with the new kernel. I'm gonna stress test a bit tonight | 21:59 |
| + paperManu (~paperManu@modemcable141.205-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) | 22:03 | |
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| + siviq (~siviq@user/siviq) | 22:22 | |
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| lidstah | ok, 30 minutes of KOTOR2 at around 28/29°C room temp and no glitches | 22:25 |
| josch | \o/ | 22:31 |
| lidstah | minute: seems like your patch loosening a bit panel timing solves the glitches problem here :) thanks alot! but how did you find it? | 22:51 |
| lidstah | one hour of KOTOR2 and it should have been glitches party | 22:51 |
| lidstah | not a single one :') | 22:51 |
| josch | lidstah: i clicked the "set to auto-merge" button. Thank you for testing! This will get merged into main in about half an hour. minute just pushed some qualcom changes into that one as well. :) | 22:56 |
| lidstah | you're welcome, and my pleasure! :) | 23:01 |
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| * mark_ -> mjw | 23:16 | |
| + Guest9301 (~mjw@2001:1c06:2486:4600:5952:3a9:6e0e:555a) | 23:17 | |
| minute | lidstah: relieved to hear this! | 23:31 |
| + paperManu (~paperManu@204.244.197.237) | 23:39 | |
| lidstah | minute: can confirm, it's quite hot here (29°C now), played more than one hour and an half, and I didn't see any glitches | 23:40 |
| lidstah | I'll send a reply to team@ to tell that it's been solved by your patch! | 23:41 |
| lidstah | and I'm relieved as well. bonus, now I know how to disassemble and reassemble the screen frame and display :') | 23:42 |
| minute | cararemixed: so your backlight control is gone on pocket, right? | 23:57 |
| minute | normally this line should add the backlight. maybe it's not hit anymore https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-tools/-/blob/main/lpc/reform2_lpc.c?ref_type=heads#L262 | 23:57 |
| cararemixed | @minute: yes | 23:57 |
| minute | i also see that the formatting in that file is a bit off, will fix. i can make a branch where this line is unconditionally hit, and you could just "make" in that directory and then rmmod reform2_lpc and then insmod -f ./reform2_lpc.ko | 23:58 |
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