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| midfavila | hey, quick question- does anyone know if the kingston nv3 drives work with the reform? | 07:13 |
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| midfavila | i vaguely recall that some nvme drives were finnicky | 07:13 |
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| orva | minute: Ah, the classic docker prune cron <3 | 11:13 |
| orva | I remember we needed that with self hosted gitlab | 11:13 |
| minute | haha | 11:13 |
| minute | interesting! | 11:13 |
| orva | Also "check if build has taken too long and force kill it before the prune" in the same script | 11:14 |
| orva | same cron* | 11:14 |
| minute | oh :D | 11:14 |
| orva | Sometimes the gl-runner just didn't pass the kill signals to all the worker sub-processes, leaving zombies around | 11:15 |
| orva | Never figured out why, but the force kill and prune at least cleaned up the mess | 11:15 |
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| + sterni (~quassel@user/sterni) | 11:20 | |
| minute | uff | 11:26 |
| josch | midfavila: chat log says that lidstah used to use a kingston nv3 | 11:40 |
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| + xktr (~xktr@user/xktr) | 12:09 | |
| minute | uff the 8550 is finally really stable | 12:11 |
| minute | and i got working backlight control. only sound is missing | 12:11 |
| josch | you even have suspend -- who needs audio? :D | 12:12 |
| minute | ohh actually i didn't really test suspend yet on the 8550 | 12:12 |
| minute | but both suspend and audio work well on 6490 :D | 12:12 |
| minute | i'm personally just very into the 8550 | 12:12 |
| minute | even if expensive, it's just very addictingly fast | 12:12 |
| minute | the secret konami code to make the GPU stable was > cpupower -c 0 idle-set -D 2 | 12:13 |
| minute | current theory is that cpu0 is handling SPMI IRQs and if it sleeps a bit too long, those can be missed. so the exit latency of this cpuidle state in the device tree is probably too low and the kernel miscalculates that the cpu will be available on time | 12:15 |
| minute | interesting, looks like we don't ship util-linux | 12:16 |
| minute | ah sorry, we do. typo m))) | 12:16 |
| minute | > Model name: Cortex-X3 | 12:17 |
| minute | > CPU max MHz: 3187.2000 | 12:17 |
| minute | > Model name: Cortex-A715 | 12:17 |
| + gianmarcogg03_ (~quassel@user/gianmarcogg03) | 12:17 | |
| minute | > CPU max MHz: 2803.2000 | 12:17 |
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| ch | minute: could you allowlist 65.108.132.186 on source.mnt.re, i'm pulling repos with kicad files once a day from there | 12:35 |
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| * gianmarcogg03_ -> gianmarcogg03 | 12:58 | |
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| + Guest28 (~Guest28@154.176.102.113) | 13:30 | |
| lidstah | josch: I do have kingston nv3s, but on some of my proxmox nodes | 13:31 |
| + iank (~iank@fsf/staff/iank) | 13:31 | |
| lidstah | in the reform, it's a raspberry pi 2230 256GB one (really, a samsung one), with a 2230 to 2280 adapter (and hello, btw!) | 13:31 |
| lidstah | back in the days, I had one nv3 as spare I intended to use with the reform, but I ended up needing it to replace a way too hot samsung nvme one (that controller reaching 112°C even when properly cooled bothered me a bit too much) | 13:34 |
| lidstah | samsung forums take on that was "oh, it's normal" | 13:34 |
| Guest28 | Hello, I can't access the GitLab and I suspect my IP may have been blocked during the DDoS mitigation. Could an admin check this for me? Please DM. | 13:40 |
| josch | Guest28: you can write your IP in a private query to minute | 13:42 |
| + oliverD (~Thunderbi@user/oliverd) | 14:07 | |
| - oliverD (QUIT: Ping timeout: 246 seconds) (~Thunderbi@user/oliverd) | 14:17 | |
| + siviq (~siviq@user/siviq) | 14:29 | |
| siviq | minute re Kingston NV3 NVMe 1TB PCIe 4.0 M.2 drive. I have one set aside and waiting on the MNT Reform order to arrive perhaps this month, my order is Dec-13 '25. If you don't get any feedback by the time I receive the laptop and installed it, will let you know if does work or not. It will be sad if doesn't work, but won't be an issue. | 14:34 |
| siviq | minute I meant, no feedback from other users* by the time I receive it. | 14:36 |
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| + paperManu (~paperManu@modemcable141.205-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) | 14:53 | |
| lidstah | siviq: hey :) | 15:14 |
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| + DuArz (~DuArz@78.198.109.169) | 15:34 | |
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| + DuArz (~DuArz@78.198.109.169) | 15:37 | |
| DuArz | Hi, recieved my classic reform today. I'm very happy. Very nice device. Beeing not Linux savvy, i'm a bit lost, but i'll learn. Good job ! | 15:40 |
| DuArz | Good afternoon. | 15:42 |
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| + wielaard (~mjw@gnu.wildebeest.org) | 16:10 | |
| + andreas-e (~Andreas@2a02-8434-b6a3-e901-daca-beef-9a0a-5e34.rev.sfr.net) | 16:19 | |
| siviq | lidstah Hello, I see you've been adding more games to the list recently :) | 16:34 |
| lidstah | indeed :) | 16:40 |
| lidstah | now I need to find more games to test ^^' | 16:41 |
| siviq | I'm sure Steam has endless library. It's another story how much interesting most of them are :) I'll also try some of the titles on my Steam library. However, I wish I had kept the DVDs with games I had. Not sure where lost them along the way. '=D | 16:52 |
| lidstah | I do have a list of roguelikes I intend to get on steam when the summer sales will kick in | 16:52 |
| lidstah | for e.g. rogue empire | 16:56 |
| lidstah | oow, it's in sale rn, <6 bucks | 16:56 |
| lidstah | I should also test Wayward, which I have in my library | 16:59 |
| lidstah | mmh, might test it tonight if I have time | 17:00 |
| siviq | I used to buy the 'humblebundle' game editions. If you're not familiar with them, check them as they have good deals all the time too. | 17:10 |
| lidstah | indeed, should have a look there too | 17:13 |
| siviq | I managed to get good titles for really good price. Hope you find something good there. Usually steam key is provided, which is handy | 17:17 |
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| - andreas-e (QUIT: Quit: Leaving) (~Andreas@2a02-8434-b6a3-e901-daca-beef-9a0a-5e34.rev.sfr.net) | 17:49 | |
| siviq | lidstah how is your screen doing, all fixed now? | 17:50 |
| lidstah | siviq: sorry for the late answer, had to go buy some food for dinner - not a single problem since minute and josch fixed IVO display timings! | 18:00 |
| lidstah | \o/ | 18:00 |
| lidstah | the good thing is that now, I can disassemble and reassemble the whole computer, eyes closed (well... not for the eyes closed part :')) | 18:01 |
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| + paperManu (~paperManu@modemcable141.205-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) | 18:02 | |
| lidstah | and I thought the screen would have been trickier, but that's easier than I thought. Not easy per se, but not that hard, just had to take my time and think twice | 18:02 |
| lidstah | but I'm so happy it was just a software fix in the end :) | 18:05 |
| siviq | Yey, really good. :) I have ordered on purpose the MNT Reform instead of the little brother Pocket, due to more internal space and larger form factor. Easy access to all components too. You should see how I had TB backlight LED replaced... nightmare, complete nightmare. And it never ended up like factory. | 18:06 |
| - Ar|stote|is (QUIT: Ping timeout: 246 seconds) (~linx@149.210.70.194) | 18:06 | |
| siviq | TV* not TB :D | 18:06 |
| lidstah | was about to ask what was "TB" :) | 18:06 |
| siviq | Really hope some day manufacturers make technology again easy to repair. It's not justified to throw away tech because of single component failure. | 18:08 |
| lidstah | indeed | 18:09 |
| lidstah | I still have nightmares of replacing a keyboard on an hp laptop more than a decade ago | 18:09 |
| lidstah | that thing was... awful. Litterally had to curb the keyboard by pushing with screwdrivers from both sides to get it out of the laptop | 18:10 |
| lidstah | and it was in their technical documentation | 18:10 |
| lidstah | changed the keyboard on the x390 yoga of my partner last year | 18:11 |
| + Ar|stote|is (~linx@149.210.47.139) | 18:11 | |
| lidstah | was way easier, even with its 60+ screws | 18:11 |
| lidstah | (yep, sixty screws) | 18:11 |
| lidstah | 68 if I remember correctly. But with patience and time, perfectly doable | 18:12 |
| siviq | I call that "screw festival" At least not glued to the chassis :D | 18:12 |
| lidstah | at least they were all identical | 18:12 |
| siviq | Does MNT Reform comes with screw for the NVMe or need to source my own? I'm getting low on nuts and bolts and screws lately. | 18:13 |
| lidstah | there is a small pouch with an nvme screw and some spares in the package - found it *after* installing the nvme xD | 18:13 |
| siviq | Hahahaha it happens. Also good to know, thanks. I'll got to go, work is calling. Have a nice evening! | 18:14 |
| lidstah | was well hidden in the recyclable - I don't know the word so let's call them small potatoes used to protect the computer during transport | 18:15 |
| lidstah | ah, work's finished here, have a nice evening too (or afternoon? or morning?) | 18:15 |
| siviq | Some type of 'void fillers' for transportation. Evening, working late hours as usual. :) See ya | 18:16 |
| - siviq (QUIT: Quit: Client closed) (~siviq@user/siviq) | 18:17 | |
| lidstah | void fillers, thanks aaand to late :) | 18:17 |
| lidstah | *too | 18:17 |
| + stephano (~stephano@71.238.14.13) | 18:25 | |
| + Guest28 (~Guest28@154.176.102.113) | 18:35 | |
| - Guest28 (QUIT: Ping timeout: 245 seconds) (~Guest28@154.176.102.113) | 18:40 | |
| stephano | minute: when you have a moment this week, could you please have a look at https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-tools/-/merge_requests/168 | 18:50 |
| stephano | There's no rush. Just a small annoyance on Arch, I think stemming from kernel's MDIO bus initialisation | 18:52 |
| josch | Indeed, I'd like to have an ACK by Lucie to merge this. | 18:52 |
| + talos5 (~talos@2600:6c5d:f0:1fd0:48a7:9ecf:4f99:ef69) | 18:59 | |
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| * talos5 -> talos | 19:02 | |
| + Svp (~svp@host-79-57-105-252.business.telecomitalia.it) | 19:48 | |
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| + RandyK (~RandyK@user/randyk) | 19:50 | |
| midfavila | josch tysm i totally should have checked the logs | 19:55 |
| midfavila | slipped my mind tho | 19:55 |
| midfavila | nv3 it is | 19:55 |
| midfavila | local parts place has them at a somewhat reasonable price, *somehow* | 19:55 |
| midfavila | i went into a chain store to look at drives yesterday and nearly had a stroke. CAD600 just about for a 1tb sata ssd | 19:56 |
| midfavila | i mean, sort of expected, but still | 19:56 |
| + wielaard (~mjw@gnu.wildebeest.org) | 20:02 | |
| minute | i'm gonna test reform-system-image-any on our Ampere system :D | 20:24 |
| minute | ch: unblocked that IP, must've been blocked a longer time ago | 20:27 |
| ch | minute: thanks! | 20:30 |
| Chwoka | "Really hope some day manufacturers make technology again easy to repair." amen to that, that's the #1 reason why i'm getting a reform next | 20:54 |
| Chwoka | i like to fix things and will drive computers (and cars) until the wheels come off. my first laptop when i was a kid was a toshiba satelite and by the end of its lifespan the screen was held together with duct tape, i had replaced the keyboard like three times, and the ports had toothpicks jammed into them and broken off to get them to work | 20:56 |
| Chwoka | a computer repair guy got a glance at it and immediately assumed it had literally been to an active warzone and back | 20:57 |
| + DuArz (~DuArz@78.198.109.169) | 21:10 | |
| - DuArz (QUIT: Client Quit) (~DuArz@78.198.109.169) | 21:12 | |
| lidstah | oh cool, Rogue Empire works quite well on the Reform (box64): https://celeano.lidstah.info/-C2PZvbkBxs | 21:14 |
| minute | Chwoka: hehe | 21:28 |
| minute | lidstah: cool! | 21:28 |
| minute | ah, the silly old EDK2 cannot handle ext2/ext4 of course | 21:29 |
| sigrid | disappointing | 21:29 |
| minute | aha https://efi.akeo.ie/ | 21:30 |
| minute | sigrid: yeah. but i'll add another partition on the usb stick with fat32 and put those drivers on there, lets see if it can ready our /boot then | 21:32 |
| minute | s/ready/read | 21:32 |
| - Chwoka (QUIT: ) (~Chwoka@216.73.127.21) | 21:36 | |
| + Chwoka (~Chwoka@216.73.127.21) | 21:36 | |
| minute | neat, the ext2 driver really works | 21:40 |
| minute | ah but we don't have UKIs yet right | 21:41 |
| minute | lets see if vmlinuz has an efi stub | 21:44 |
| minute | yes it has | 21:44 |
| minute | but then black screen sniff... i wonder if this thing has a serial console | 21:45 |
| minute | debian netinst iso works | 21:57 |
| minute | realize i'm spoiled by how quickly an mnt system normally installs | 22:04 |
| + RandyK_ (~RandyK@user/randyk) | 22:13 | |
| - RandyK (QUIT: Ping timeout: 245 seconds) (~RandyK@user/randyk) | 22:15 | |
| * RandyK_ -> RandyK | 22:15 | |
| + bkeys1 (~Thunderbi@134.22.115.162) | 22:38 | |
| - bkeys (QUIT: Ping timeout: 265 seconds) (~Thunderbi@134.22.115.162) | 22:38 | |
| * bkeys1 -> bkeys | 22:38 | |
| josch | minute: if you want ukis in your reform-system-image, there is a branch for that | 22:53 |
| - Chwoka (QUIT: Remote host closed the connection) (~Chwoka@216.73.127.21) | 22:55 | |
| - spew (QUIT: Quit: nyaa~) (~spew@user/spew) | 23:03 | |
| minute | josch: right :D | 23:04 |
| minute | josch: ah right cool, i'll flash https://source.mnt.re/josch/reform-system-image/-/jobs/22082/artifacts/browse onto a usb stick and see if the ampere edk2 can boot that, that's a good test | 23:04 |
| josch | does the ampere need some interesting dtb to be able to boot? | 23:05 |
| minute | josch: i would expect that it can use ACPI | 23:06 |
| minute | (or supply it's own dtb, edk2 should be able to do that) | 23:06 |
| josch | yes, that's the right link you got up there | 23:06 |
| + Chwoka (~Chwoka@216.73.127.21) | 23:06 | |
| josch | magic! | 23:06 |
| josch | lets see what happens :) | 23:07 |
| minute | well, not more magic than uboot with baked in default dtb :D i guess it's the same | 23:07 |
| minute | once debian is installed on ampere, it's a pretty nice and very snappy system, even without gpu. not sure what everyone was upset about | 23:07 |
| minute | maybe adding a gpu is a mistake :D | 23:08 |
| - paperManu (QUIT: Ping timeout: 245 seconds) (~paperManu@modemcable141.205-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) | 23:08 | |
| josch | haha :) | 23:08 |
| minute | i'm now thinking how to best make use of this machine for mnt... (vs selling it second-hand) | 23:08 |
| minute | a) could move the gitlab runner to it for sure | 23:09 |
| minute | need to calculate rent costs against it | 23:09 |
| minute | currently the build server at netcup costs 23.42 EUR per month + 15.32 EUR for 1TB storage | 23:14 |
| minute | ah wait no, that's the gitlab itself. | 23:17 |
| minute | the build server is at hetzner and costs 31.49 EUR per month, and has only 16 vcpus and only 320gb local disk | 23:20 |
| minute | the real ampere here has 32 cores and 4tb disk :D | 23:20 |
| josch | minute: do a run of reform-debian-packages and lets see how much faster it is :D | 23:24 |
| minute | right :D lets install docker | 23:24 |
| + paperManu (~paperManu@204.244.197.237) | 23:34 | |
| + paperManu_ (~paperManu@204.244.197.237) | 23:34 | |
| minute | josch: here we go https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-debian-packages/-/pipelines/6352 | 23:43 |
| josch | oh wow that was express gitlab runner setup! | 23:44 |
| minute | not sure how good the setup is though. chroot doesn't seem to work | 23:46 |
| minute | (that's why build_patched_arm64 failed?) | 23:47 |
| - Gooberpatrol66 (QUIT: Quit: Konversation terminated!) (~Gooberpat@user/gooberpatrol66) | 23:47 | |
| josch | minute: it's unable to unshare the user namespace -- are you running this inside a privileged docker container? | 23:47 |
| minute | > Error creating chroot session | 23:47 |
| minute | josch: probably not! i need to check the runner config to allow that i guess | 23:48 |
| minute | here we go again :D (rerunning linux build) | 23:49 |
| josch | still E: unshare failed: Illegal seek | 23:51 |
| josch | oh no wait | 23:52 |
| josch | yay it works! | 23:52 |
| minute | oh :D | 23:55 |
| minute | but it's not recommended to do this in the long run :D i think using a microvm might be safer, not sure how to set that up (yet) though | 23:55 |
| josch | you can probably break out of docker but then again you manually enable CI access for users you trust and the machine is also kinda "throw away" if you can wipe and set it up this quickly in case something is compromised | 23:59 |
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