2026-07-05.log

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joschnew system images with kernel 7.1.3 https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-system-image/-/jobs/2326809:36
joschminute: linux 7.1.3 is in the MNT Debian repos -- your qcom-7.0 branch needs rebasing. Should I do it or do you plan to do it?09:38
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lidstahjosch, minute : hi :) I'm on the 7.1.3 kernel on my reform classic and, sadly, the IVO panel timing problem (glitches) is back :(11:54
lidstahbut only when playing luanti with my son (40FPS cap here)11:58
lidstahand... 35FPS+vsync, no more glitches12:00
lidstahthat's weird12:00
lidstahnope, forget it, same behavior12:01
lidstahmaybe the IVO fix wasn't included in the 7.1.3 kernel build?12:02
lidstahand I also see glitches without playing (bit warm here, so..)12:04
lidstahswitching back to the 7.0.13 in the meantime12:08
lidstahback on 7.0.13, checking if I still experience the glitches12:10
+ AnimaInvicta (~AnimaInvi@88-169-191-86.subs.proxad.net)12:14
lidstahyes, can confirm, no glitches on 7.0.1312:16
joschlidstah: thank you, you are right the patch is missing. On it...12:19
lidstahjosch: no worries, rollback was easy with u-boot-update, just selected the l1 label to boot12:21
lidstahit's sunday, no hurry :)12:22
joschlidstah: too late https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-debian-packages/-/merge_requests/18912:27
lidstah:D12:38
lidstahthank you josch :)12:38
joschlidstah: might be in the repos in half an hour (if not, then in 1.5 hours)13:25
onepictThank you for this josch, I've got glitches in my main screen myself after updating today.  Although the HDMI is unaffected.  Although I don't understand about u-boot so it's an opportunity to learn.  I know there's a man page for U-boot but are there any tutorial materials to use those tools for rolling back with u-boot update?  13:42
lidstahjosch: ah great :) thank you, sorry for the late answer, it was lunch time here13:46
lidstahonepict: if you cat /boot/extlinux/extlinux.conf, you'll see various text blocks with "l0", "l1", and so on, with the default being l0 (the last kernel). don't modify this file, use u-boot-update, in my case I wanted to boot the 7.0.13 kernel, labeled "l1": as root, I used U_BOOT_DEFAULT="l1" u-boot-update - don't forget to run it again with U_BOOT_DEFAULT="l0" u-boot-update  once the corrected13:48
lidstahkernel will be available on the repos :)13:48
lidstahor, just wait, won't be long (either in 10 minutes~ or in one hour~)13:50
onepictlidstah: so is that a command in u-boot-update or do I modify a conf?13:50
onepictI do appreciate the help though.  u-boot is a little intimidating as I'm used to grub13:51
lidstaha command prefixed with an environment variable defining which "label" you want to boot by default13:51
lidstahbut having a look at extlinux.conf is interesting13:52
lidstahso I ran - as root - 'U_BOOT_DEFAULT="l1" u-boot-update' because the block in extlinux.conf allowing me to boot the 7.0.13 kernel was labeled "l1" - the 7.1.3 kernel block was labeled "l0"13:53
onepictthat worked a treat thank you lidstah13:54
lidstahonce the fixed kernel will be available in the repos, I'll run 'U_BOOT_DEFAULT="l0" u-boot-update' to switch back to the "l0" then I'll ran apt full-upgrade13:54
lidstahonepict: you're welcome :)13:55
onepictThis is why having a reform is awesome, the folks helping each other to learn.13:55
lidstahindeed, the community around these computers is awesome13:56
lidstahonepict: just don't forget to run u-boot-update again to switch back to the l0 labeled boot config before running sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade once the fixed kernel is available13:58
onepictI'll add that to my notes, so I don't forget.  Plus there's here of course.  :)13:59
onepictafk 14:00
lidstahand the fixed kernel is available in the repos, 30 minutes, as josch said :)14:02
lidstahreboot time :)14:05
+ paperManu (~paperManu@204.48.0.160)14:06
onepictrunning the upgrade and setting the uboot now14:20
onepictOn the new kernel no screen flicker, thanks josch and thanks lidstah for the mini uboot tutorial.  It's a useful thing to learn, especially as at home we've got a few banana pi routers to play with and they use uboot.  Knowing where to look is really useful to learn.14:23
joschonepict: be prepared to throw out that knowledge once the boot method is switched to efi XD14:28
onepictheheh14:30
onepictYou never know when you come across some old eldrich piece to hardware ;)  14:31
joschmerge request here:14:31
joschhttps://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-system-image/-/merge_requests/15114:31
onepictSomething well wierd is happening between me in france and source.mnt.re it seems to get to the amsterdam interchange and then stop.  14:34
lidstahcan confirm, no more glitches once the ivo timing patch is applied, thanks josch :)14:34
joschlidstah: thank you for confirming!14:35
lidstahonepict: no problem here between Nantes and source.mnt.re (ISP is Free - and I'm french too :))14:35
onepictYeah it just stops at the ams interchange I'm on aquilenet, which it goes through traceroute and mtr stops at ae3-1337.bbr02.anx63.ams.nl.anexia-it.net14:36
onepictI'm sure they will notice it soon.  Won't just be my traffic stopped.  I got the update via apt thanks to josch14:37
lidstahoh Aquilenet? FAImaison member here (Nantes associative ISP) :D14:44
lidstahlemme check from cogent (aka slowgent)14:45
lidstahwe do pass through ae2-0.bbr01.anx63.ams.nl.anexia-it.net here to join source.mnt.re, no problem14:46
onepictCool!  When I was in the uk I used to be on AAISP, so the closest to that for me is Aquilenet.14:46
onepictWe run an ipv6 only network at home.14:47
lidstahnice :), still dual stack here14:47
lidstahgtg, my son does want his luanti dose xD14:48
onepict*waves*14:48
joschlidstah: we are also big luanti fans here (daughter 5)14:48
lidstahit's great :)14:53
lidstahI used a middle-earth height map and worldpainter to generate a luanti world (8km x 8km) mimicking a mini-middle earth, we spent some time with my son making proper rivers and such, now we're building Hobbiton and Bree :D14:54
lidstahthen, Tharbad, Fornost, Forlong, Grey Havens, Edoras, Isengard, Moria, and so on. We're up for some years of crafting xD14:55
joschlidstah: we are exploring a random map generated in the voxelibre mod. We just made it out of a terrible jungle. That was such a mess to get through! Now we are exploring a huge underground cave network. :)14:56
joschthe little one is playing on the pocket reform and parents are on one big reform each :)14:56
minutejosch: thanks for taking care of 7.1! i can test it tomorrow15:00
joschminute: wonderful! I have it running on rk3588, a311d, imx8mq and ls1028a. You could boot it up on some qualcomm. :)15:01
lidstahjosch: yeah, the random map generator can make some really fun things :)15:04
lidstahright now, the map and build here are done with the basic minetest game, then once the builds are OK, we'll add various mods15:05
joschlidstah: any other mod recommendation you could make that makes it more fun for the little ones?15:07
lidstahWe liked Asuna, quite peaceful (only some slimes as enemies) and quite beautiful15:11
lidstahthe CTF mod is really fun, played it last year on the last day of school with students15:11
lidstahbut you need a good bunch of players15:11
+ stephano (~stephano@71.238.14.13)15:18
lidstahthe villages module (but you don't need it with voxelibre or mineclonia) seems interesting too - but I'll probably just use it to make the small towns we're building with my son more "lively"15:18
lidstahworldedit too (sorry, back and forth between luanti and irc :p) to manage copy pasting bunch of blocks and such15:34
lidstahor to quickly fill a selection of blocks15:34
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stephanominute: https://github.com/cetola/mnt-build/releases/tag/7.1.3.reform1-aarch64 ...rk3588s now in "beta". I call it "beta" because one of those board connectors is just floating in the air on my RCM4 board, for now. :)16:19
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joschstephano: i dropped the ball on https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-tools/-/merge_requests/168 -- would you like me to just press the merge button on that one?18:18
stephanojosch: Oh right! I forgot about this one too. It's an unusual code path, running rmmod on boot, but I don't know what the "PHY reset problem" was. The code is "safe" in that worst case the script hangs for 30 secs. It worked fine in arch, so as long as someone can do a quick check in Debian I think we're good to merge.18:39
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reform29762hello18:46
reform29762hows it going reformers18:46
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stephanominute: any thoughts on https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-tools/-/merge_requests/168 ? I'm not sure what the history was there with the "PHY reset problem".19:45
+ murphnj (~murphnj@user/murphnj)20:29
minutestephano: cool, approved @ PHY reset workaround20:41
minuteand cc josch20:42
minutestephano: also, super cool @ radxa cm5, so i just need to get around to make an rcm5. but it's really nice how much already works with rcm420:43
joschawesome, rebased and set to auto-merge20:44
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stephanojosch: do we want to merge in https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-tools/-/merge_requests/171 as well? I'm not sure if I got those abstractions right.21:29
+ spew (~spew@user/spew)21:31
joschstephano: looking at our conversation there, everything got resolved -- do you agree?21:36
joschstephano: i gave you "Developer" access to the reform-tools repo — you should now be able to press the merge button yourself :)21:38
stephanojosch: wowsa. okay, that's a lot of responsibility, but in this case I think it's all resolved so I'll muster my button-pushing bravery. Thanks!21:46
joschstephano: nah, even *if* you mess up (as well do at times) things can get reverted with git magic. I prefer handing out commit privileges which makes contributing more fun than having to wait for me to press buttons. :)21:50
stephanojosch: lol, true21:51
joschs/as well/as we all/21:52
+ talos (~talos@2600:6c5d:f0:1fd0:f708:104e:ab1c:41db)21:58
stephanojosch: I don't see a "merge" button. Do I need to do anything other than rebase before it allows me to merge?22:25
stephanoGitLab does helpfully tell me "Ready to merge by members who can write to the target branch." X-D22:35
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minutejosch: stephano: only maintainers can merge to protected branches ^^22:54
+ reform12352 (~robin@0.89-10-210.nextgentel.com)22:59
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stephanominute: well now I have this strange desire to push a big green button.23:13
joschstephano: your wish was granted -- congratulations to your promotion :)23:23
joschhappy button pressing!23:23
stephanoHey, there was a drum roll too! That was some high quality button pressing.23:26

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